The Fang Bois Talk “Sinners” - A Vampires Follow-Up

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[00:00:31] What it does not include is the good moderating and organization that Chris Kulari normally brings to the table.

[00:01:18] What could be bad?

[00:01:51] Yeah, dude. Fang Bois forever. I am joined and are making official membership cards for the Fang Bois. All these people are going to have a card. Joined by- I'm just going to go by where you are on my screen. Pat Casey, screenwriter extraordinaire. Hello. That's his voice. Josh Miller, screenwriter extraordinaire. Hey, hey. That's his voice. Jackson Stewart, screenwriter extraordinaire. Hi. That's his voice. It's a diverse group. I don't know. You're really watering down the impact of the word extraordinaire.

[00:02:22] I just feel like it's not used enough. I'm pretty sure like fucking Spotify or whatever, like reads these and provides a transcript. So if we say extraordinary three times, we'll start trending. I don't know how any of this works. Anyone who's just out there like, I want to listen to something about an extraordinaire. They're going to just stumble across this pod. Yeah. Yeah. Spotify is like, I hear you and I got you and they send them this. So anyway, I brought you guys on because you're all extraordinaires who like horror movies.

[00:02:49] And Jackson was literally just in our vampire episode. So he knows he was there when we recorded that episode. The movie sinners smash it. People can't stop talking about on social media. Big movie didn't even fucking exist in a way that we could watch when we recorded that. So it felt weird when I edited the episode to not mention it at all. So I've brought you guys on to talk about the movie because I went to see it and I really liked it. And I can see why people are really into it.

[00:03:18] In your proper episode. Do you reveal that Jackson is a vampire? No, but we go vampire hunting with Jackson. Oh, okay. On type. I'm in hope that he leaves his mic on in the bathroom. Like the guy jinx. Jinx. We got to try to jinx. Um, but no, it didn't work because we recorded at night. So I would never have known. I don't know if I've ever seen Jackson in the day. Shit, Jackson. Oh, wait. No, we, you know, well, you know, we forgot. What's that?

[00:03:47] Sort of a mini 12 DD reunion. Oh, wow. Right. It would be days, baby. And I definitely saw you during the day on that because you got. Yeah, that's true. That's true. You blew it. Didn't blow any covers. We just, well, we know is that he wasn't a vampire. Then. When you're right. I see what Jackson's trying to do. He's clever. I mean, that was years ago. And like, does he look any older to you guys? No, he doesn't. No. Fuck man.

[00:04:17] No, he's got his curtain closed behind him. It's like a blackout curtain too. I see what's happening here. Well, this is, this is one way to live in for in Jackson's case. It might be forever. Yeah. But yeah, no. So the, the 12 deadly days, we talk about that in the show pretty regularly. Yeah. Chris Galari would really round that out. But again, he's not in a position to be on this with us. He's not in a position to do anything other than raise his child.

[00:04:45] I think now and write episodes of scared all the time. Yeah. Just burping babies, writing podcasts, burping out podcasts. Um, so yeah, you guys all had a chance to see this, uh, this film, this cinematic extraordinary film probably made by a filmmaking extraordinaire. Yes. Yeah, I would say so. I think everyone would agree on that one. I'm sure he would not be pleased that everyone's an extraordinary. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:15] Well, uh, I guess, where do we begin? So let's tell me first. So I guess this is, this is one movie where it's like kind of the only movie we can, I can ask this question and I'll, and I'll start with Pat. Like what, what format did you see it in? Um, I just went down and saw it at the cinema in just regular 35 version. I wouldn't buy myself, like pulled a big Don Draper move. Oh, nice. Uh, but the theater was packed and everyone was into it and the movie was great. Yeah.

[00:05:45] Um, very much. I mean, it's, it's so interesting cause it is like kind of a classic format. I mean, it was sort of like from dusk till dawn, but with all that was my immediate comparison as well. That crossed with like, Oh brother, where are there? As far as literal format, you, you just saw. Oh yeah. I yes. You saw like a digital screening. That's what I meant by the way. Cause this, this movie is a very, it's very much promoted on like two different kinds of 70 millimeter. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah.

[00:06:14] For people at home who don't know. Yeah. This movie is a, you can see it in 70 millimeter. You can see an IMAX. You can see it in a different type of IMAX. You can see it in like traditional, I don't know, 16 by nine. Um, so that's why I'm asking. You can watch it in 1.57. Yeah. Yeah. The aspect ratios all over the place. Are there literally different aspect ratios on the different versions? Google it. You can, listeners can Google it right now. He has like a YouTube video, right? That video is bonkers.

[00:06:44] All the different ways you can see it and how they are different. Yeah. That video is fucking bonkers. It is so wild. I think the one that they're showing at the Vista, there's only like five places in the country. You could even show that type of print or something. Yeah. So for, for people who don't know at home, what Josh was talking about is the director, Ryan Coogler, he has a video of him just in a room somewhere kind of giving a film class one-on-one.

[00:07:13] What is film physically presentation of like, this is whatever per 35 millimeter. And this is 70 millimeter. Nick shows you the actual film strip of film that he shows you how the aspect ratios are different on like a whiteboard. Then he shows you like actual images from the movie to be like, well, if you see it here, you're going to see how we framed it for this. And if you see an IMAX, it will expand. And if it doesn't involve this crap. So yeah, even, even part of the marketing, which it doesn't seem like it really, in my

[00:07:41] opinion, had any marketing other than the internet got excited is very barbin Heimer situation. And then so like, even like the most, the longest piece of marketing a software, it was Ryan Coogler in a room holding film being like, come see my movie on one of these types of films. And it worked after like frame every shot for all those different aspect ratios. That's how cool. Like I want to see the cut of this where you can see the boom mic in every shot. Yeah, I know.

[00:08:09] Like one of the old open mat movies where they have to like block it out. Yeah. I think that's pretty much. You can listen to it on an old wax cylinder. The budget was $11 and it was 200 million to like green screen out or like take every, take out all the boom operators and lights and stuff. No advertising for this was super low. Yeah. A lot of people didn't know there were vampires in it.

[00:08:35] A lot of people I talked to didn't even know, uh, Jordan was playing two different parts in it, which was the only thing I knew about it initially. I had no idea, but I also hadn't seen the trailer or anything. I wanted to see the movie. I feel like I'd only seen like the TV ad, but I didn't have the volume on. So I didn't know what the movie was at all. Like I, to me, I was like, Oh, it's like some kind of black Western. Like I didn't get the vampire thing at all. Yeah. Well, I mean, we'll get into it. Let me just round out so I can. Chris is so much better at this shit than I am. So we got one digital 16 by nine.

[00:09:05] Josh, what did you see it in? Uh, I saw it on digital IMAX, like LIMAX as they call it. Sure. That's AMCs, but it was a big ass Burbank AMC Burbank. So I saw that version too. And then Jackson, would you say that? I saw that giant AMC Burbank. Sure. Okay. So we got a couple of LIMAXs and then one, and then one. The only real IMAX in LA is the city walk one. What about, what about the Chinese?

[00:09:34] I feel like that's some slightly different thing or maybe they're both. I don't know. It's not as big as the one at the universal city walk, right? The Chinese one is fucking huge. It is huge. But again, I feel like I could be wrong. I feel like I've heard people say that about city walk, which could just be the dimensions of the screen. Not even size. I don't know. All right. So, so here's what I know so far. We've all seen the movie.

[00:09:59] We saw all sorts of ways and it sounds like none of us really knew what we were walking in for in conversations we had with people. They didn't even know the movie existed or what it was about myself included. I mean, I Warner Brothers. I don't know. It's they're probably spending too much time trying to sell pallets of Warner Brother fucking studio store mouse pads than they are marketing movies. It seems like these days, whatever they did, it did work. Yeah, like it's hard.

[00:10:28] They didn't do shit. The marketing for sinners because it is blown up. I'm saying I think it's saying Coogler worked. I think Coogler and tick tock got us in seats. Like I drive to this stupid city and I have to look at a million billboards. Usually we all do. I mean, I don't think you can see anything but movie billboards and I feel like I did. I saw so little representation of sinners as billboards. Yeah. And at all one on the side. I saw the one on the side of fucking Warner Brothers studio. So that was it.

[00:10:58] And so I felt like they were just per usual. Didn't know it was up. And then I mean, look at Warner Brothers is also Oppenheimer. Right. So now they were Barbie. Oh, they were bar. I knew it was one of those two. Universal was Oppenheimer. I knew. Yes. But you have to understand that Chris Nolan made all of his movies at Warner Brothers for a long time. Right. Yeah. And then he broke up with them and went to universal. So that's why my brain. Yeah. That's why my brain was there. Very close together in the. They sure are.

[00:11:26] Dream of LA, especially now when universal like moved right across the street from Warner Brothers. Keep inching closer. That was very weird. If you were ever during the strike, if you were picketing on that one random gate of universal, that's directly across from Warner Brothers. Oh, I've been on that gate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:11:56] And then, you know, they built the buzz around this movie. I mean, I, I was going to see it a second time before this and it we're talking about three weeks. It's been out for three weeks now, two and a half weeks. And it's still, you can't get a fucking ticket in like a decent seat and a half. This will be his third weekend. It was, or like, always sold out. Yeah. It's sold out everywhere. And so that's pretty awesome. So I don't really know the best way into it other than, I guess I'll give my hot take first. Then we can just talk about it. It's not even a hot take.

[00:12:23] I left there being like the most interesting part of this fucking movie. I'm sorry. The least interesting part of this fucking movie is the vampire stuff. Like I was completely enthralled by the movie. The vampires show up, I think after the hour mark and they don't hang around long. And I was like, it reminds me of that line in Simpsons. I don't remember who's talking, but they were like told a boring story. And I remember the other character was there like a pretty, pretty good story. Could have used a vampire.

[00:12:51] It kind of felt like the real life, big budget version of that meme of like, this is an amazing, I'm so enthralled by the world building and all the characters. And I kind of just thought this was going to be a movie with them trying to open a bar versus the clan. And then it ended up being a fucking vampire movie. And so, you know, I feel like both work, but I didn't for a movie that's definitely a vampire movie. It kind of feels like a, not a vampire movie. Yeah.

[00:13:20] I mean, the vampires show up, it definitely feels kind of random, but it's like the vampire. I mean, it's a thematically rich movie and the vampires and the clan are almost the same thing. Right. No. Yeah. I, I'm not getting into the layers there. You're right. There's just definitely, there's a lot of metaphor in this film. And definitely, I mean, Josh and I were talking about that the other day about like if Coogler had explained this movie to us and we, I feel like both of us would have been like, why, why vampires? Yeah. Random thing to do a movie about.

[00:13:50] Well, then I also saw somebody talking online or I just, it was a dream I had. I think it was someone online as I wouldn't have been this clever who was saying that like the lead clan guys name is just Hollywood. It's like an, like, it's just Hollywood. The dude who sells them the building. Yeah. His name is like Harwood or something. And people were saying like, that's, that's Hollywood. Like taking people of color stories and fucking exactly the same. Yeah. I don't know.

[00:14:20] I'll cut. Well, he thought this is when we do it like this, I can't cut it. His name was Dr. Acula. Yeah, exactly. No, you should have got that because that's a good point. I mean, that's what the whole movie was about really. Right. It's like smoke and stack wanted to have like their own black people sit space and the vampires come in to like try and steal their culture and assimilate things. And they just won't like, let them have their own thing. Like, I feel like the vampires were, I don't know, the record industry. Right. Okay. Yes. Okay. So that's 100% correct.

[00:14:48] I just didn't see the Hollywood slash Harwood of it all until I think someone said it on online. Then I was like, Oh, I don't know. Was Harwood was Harwood the old dude that shows up at the end who like screwed them over on the land deal? Yeah. Yeah. The guy who initially sold them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That scene fucking slapped. I mean, that's a, that's always an audience. Please. They're just like mow down some clan guys. Everyone can enjoy that. And I was like the whole movie.

[00:15:15] I'm like, where's that cool shot of Michael Jordan with his Tommy coming toward the camera with the town. Yeah. Oh, was that in the, was that in the trailer? Yeah. Well, cause I, I remember like, yeah. I mean, just like Josh said, waiting the entire movie, I'm like, when is he going to be shooting the Tommy gun at that in into the camera? Cause it was like my main image. I associated this, which is weird. Cause it's a decidedly daytime event.

[00:15:42] So you, you'd must be like, it's, he's not shooting it at a vampire. Presumably. I mean, that was really nice. That far when I was watching the movie, but it was, that was a really nice way to, I mean, at least for me, like I sort of knew it was vampires, but it was like, I kind of forgot it when I sat in, in theaters. They heard it was like from dusk till dawn asked, but I was like, Oh, maybe they're demons or something. And then he's like going and shooting.

[00:16:09] Yeah. I thought maybe they were going to be demons, especially the title sinners. I thought exactly. They're defending a juke joint in the movie, but even just based on the commercial, I thought they were defending like a church. I thought it was gonna be about a church. Yeah. On the very first ad, it's like so ambiguous. Totally. What the guy was one of those things where like, I couldn't even tell if there was a supernatural element or just like a stylistically weird element. Okay. Then somebody at some point was like, it has vampires.

[00:16:38] I was like, what? Yeah. Well, speaking of stylistic choices, you know, we've already talked about the large format and all that stuff. I mean, the thing that really blew me back and I'm like, Oh, I'm happy people are seeing it in theaters. The cinematography is beautiful, but more importantly is the sound design is phenomenal where I saw it. So at least it blew my mind and like all the, the fucking dancing through time with your ancestors shit, like really hits with the sound design. Like, I don't know how hard that hits.

[00:17:06] Like that scene hits at home run an airplane or something. Watching it on your phone. Yeah. But like in a big IMAX screen with big loud fucking speakers, you're like, wow, this, this was edited and filmed with intention. And that intention was not for you to see it on an airplane. Hell no. Like that through some tinny headphones. You're like, why are they fucking dancing? This is stupid. I mean, the music was such a key part of the whole thing. I love that the vampires were also a musical act. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:17:36] Their first song. Vampire jug band. The first song they sang was kind of silly, but then the second song they sing. When what's your face dancing out in the fucking field. That red. No, no. First, the one where they're singing like a real sad one when she goes out to just talk to them in the parking lot. And I was like, this is beautiful. Yeah. Then in the field, it's funny because like now they're incorporating because I mean, sing something's a vampire movie. It's like every different vampire movie. Like the rules are a little different.

[00:18:03] And this one, it was like the vampires were kind of a hive mind in a way that I'm not sure we've really seen. For this movie. And I guess I appreciate it. Didn't have that super cliche line that all like eighties and nineties vampire movies, wherever someone's like, forget everything you saw in the movie. Forget everything you think you know about vampires. Yeah. Here's the new rules that are exactly the same as the normal rules. But I changed one thing for this movie. This one was really heavy.

[00:18:30] Like such a big part of the movie was about having to invite people in, but I don't think they ever even really described that rule. They were just counting on you already knowing it. And I think that's great. I think that's like, Hey, this is our fourth Spider-Man movie. We all know how the fuck he became Spider-Man. We don't even need to mention uncle Ben anymore. Are you sure we don't have to have like a flashback of Bruce Wayne's parents getting? Yeah, exactly. Flying everywhere.

[00:18:55] Once the characters in this movie kind of looked at each other and said, this is not said, but just know this is vampires. Now they're doing that, like, you know, scene from the thing where they're burning the blood, but with, you know, cloak with garlic. Yeah. It's like, yeah, they just, they know what this is. We don't need to tell. You feel like that was an homage to the thing rather than to the faculty? No. Yeah. Yeah. I do love the faculty. Holy shit. Wait, what are they, what are they doing? What are they doing? The faculty. It's the like drug that Josh Hartnett sells.

[00:19:25] They snort it. Yeah. It's full of powder and you got to snort it. Cause that's the drug kills the alien, but the alien finger can like take the bottom of the pen off or whatever. That's the big, the Kaiser so say reveal of what, what really happened in that scene. I hope Kugler has gone on the record that he loves the faculty. Well, Kugler probably loves the faculty based on the interviews I've seen with him.

[00:19:48] The only two interviews I've seen was that like, watch my movie on all these films and the podcast interview he did where he says that this is that he like was super inspired by the puss in boots movie. I saw that. Wait, that's real. Yeah. Oh, I saw like a post about that, but I thought someone was joking. No, he was like, bro, I love puss in boots. It's also the villain in this movie is like, I saw that and I was like, oh, their eyes need to be red and shine. Like, I like it.

[00:20:17] Like the, the recent puss in boots one where like death is chasing him. Correct. Yeah. Like that reason one was pretty bad-ass. Yeah. So it seems like he takes inspiration exactly where he wants to take it from and it would have no issues being like, yeah, this is based in a real ghostbusters episode or something. Like he has no problem with that shit. He's not trying to be like highfalutin or crazy or cool about it.

[00:20:40] But yeah, music, like once he's the, like he, the vampires absorbed all the people from the club, then it's like, there's that big dance sequence out in the field where like, I feel like he's already incorporating like black music into it. Even though he's, he's out there like, and it's an Irish dancing or whatever, the dance or whatever. The Lord of the dance. Yeah. Michael Flatley. Yeah. Michael. Yeah. I think that's by no means the birthplace of vampirism.

[00:21:06] I guess that would be like Transylvania ass shit, but I don't know, like Irish people, you ever been to Ireland, like a real bar in Ireland. They're always singing and show you don't want them to. And so they just incorporated that in a big way. I just picturing you grumpy at some Irish pub. Just it's too loud in here. Everybody shut up. No, it was rad.

[00:21:24] I, I think the only, the only like vampire rule thing I had a problem with in the movie is that as, as we've established, like everyone knows the vampire rules and this guy is from Ireland and he seems like he's from the old country and the main vampire. I'm saying the Bane bad guy, he seems like he's from the old country. He seems like he's been around vampiring for a while and we're just going to wait till three minutes before the fucking sun comes up to you're still doing this. You've been around long enough to know. Give yourself a buffer.

[00:21:53] He got distracted. Come on. He likes living on the edge. And every vampire has that problem, man, in movies like it's happened so many times. I could, but I'm saying I can expect it from the new vampires, but from him, I was surprised. It's like that night living dead thing where it's like, you're like, they're so slow. They're never going to get to me and you just get so comfortable with it. And then suddenly you just take a little breather and bites you on the neck. Are you, it's like you got a little too comfortable with it. I mean, I still never fully understood the rules of these vampires.

[00:22:24] Like there's the scene where the lady is sort of explains like the hates or whatever and the difference between them and vampires. And I was like, so which are these? How does this work? Where is their soul? I think she says like that. These aren't hates though. She just straight up says that they're just vampires. Why even bring up the hates at all? That's my note for Coogler. I was like, don't bring up a monster. That's not going to appear in your movie.

[00:22:44] I think it's maybe cultural this to say that we have other types of things culturally, but also maybe I guess it's a little weird to have a, have a character, not question what's happening at all though. No, I'm not saying they shouldn't have talked about it. I mean, this also is like falls into the category of like how people are turned into vampires. We're just like, if you get bit your vampire, like moments later, and it seems like vampirism spreads so quickly that like in the thing, everyone on earth would be a vampire. Like four days after this event. Yeah.

[00:23:13] I forget the number they give in the thing of how long it would take. There's like that computer simulation on there, like Apple 2e. It's pretty long. It's like, I think it's like 72,000 hours. But when you look at it, you're like, that's like a lot of years. Oh, is it? I thought it was like something where it was like, I don't know. It's like going to happen in like weeks or something. Cause it's like, I mean, it feels that way. Cause we're like, Oh, hours. Oh my God.

[00:23:39] That's but then someone broke it down and it was like, yeah, no time for that. I mean, honestly, they didn't even have to contain the thing. It would have been fine. Yeah. No, the thing is so scary. Okay. Yeah. I guess it's if they didn't stop to dance every five fucking minutes, maybe they would get some more numbers up on the board, but it seemed like dancing was priority. First place. He's just on the run from those native American vampire hunters. And I do love that shot, but I am also like, what is he jumping down from?

[00:24:08] Like he jumped from the top of frame into frame and he's getting blasted by the sun. And he, yeah, I mean, he's like smoking and stuff, but he's also basically standing on the crane. The camera. That scene does rule though. That's a good scene. I like the vampires layer spike used to run around during the day, but just for like a blanket thrown over. Yeah. Getting all smoky. What didn't he like? When he like black out the windows of his car or something so he could drive and like, yeah, yeah.

[00:24:37] Isn't that didn't that happen on Buffy? Movies and TV shows play pretty fast and loose with it when they need to. And then other times, yeah, it's like, like in from dusk till dawn, it's just like one little point of light hits them and they'll fucking explode. I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like superhero movies. Like everyone's as powerful as is needed for that scene. And then like a random mugger will sneak up behind Batman and knock him out. Yeah. Like the animated show when they need it to happen.

[00:25:07] What's the best example of this? I mean, it's the original Superman serials with George Reeve where it's like he's they're shooting the gun at him and it bounces off his chest. And the guy gets frustrated running out of bullets, throws it at Superman. He fucking ducks like that's the weirdest opening ever. It's like you just took eight, six bullets to the chest and then you ducked. I didn't want it to mess up my hair anyway. So yeah, so I like that we immediately went to nitpicking a very good movie.

[00:25:37] It's funny, Ed, you were saying it reminded you of a Simpsons quote. I was thinking it reminds me of my favorite quote from the movie Orange County, which is such a like screenwritery inside joke, but where they're at some. The Mike White movie? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Mike White Jack Black movie where it's like it's like Colin Hanks and Sissy Spacek's daughter in real life. I mean, are like at some dumb frat party at this college and she's I think it's Nat Faxon. Yeah.

[00:26:05] Win an Oscar for writing the descendants. But it's just like this random cutaway thing where she's been stuck in a conversation to him and he's like telling her about his screenplays writing. And he's like, it's about vampires ostensibly, but actually it's about the reunification of Germany or paraphrasing the line. Oh, you're not wrong. That's what we watched. But like the ostensibly part is the quotable. Extensibly. Yeah, it's ostensibly about vampires. Well, I can see how you got there then.

[00:26:33] Yeah, because as we've this is a very layered metaphor theme ass movie. But I also think if you took all that away, it's still just a very fun. It's still coming. The thing is, like, I would say the vampires are the least interesting part of the overall movie, but I don't know if I'd like it as much if it didn't have vampires personally. I love that it went there. Even if there is, there's a replacement. I'm saying like there would still be the clan. It would still be like a green room meets.

[00:27:02] Yeah, but then we wouldn't be talking about it as much. That's part of the. It would have won an Academy Award otherwise. Yeah, that's the difference. It might still win an Academy Award. It might get nominated for some stuff, man. Like this is a legit really good movie. It's really good. It's really good. The fact that it's about real stuff and has real themes. Wait, hold on guys. Is there a vampire? Don't let him in. Can we pause this for a second? I'm going to relocate to a different part of the house. Oh yeah, sure.

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[00:28:29] Yeah, I mean, Yemel Del Toro's fish-fucking movie won Best Picture. It's true, man. Yeah, that was a lean year, maybe. I don't... I agree, I didn't hate it. Black Panther was nominated for Best Picture, and I feel like Sinners was better than Black Panther. Get Out won, uh, and that's got a crazy, like, bordering... I mean, it's not supernatural, but it's crazy sci-fi twist. I will say this. Sinners is a big enough, big enough hit right now.

[00:28:57] I don't know if by the time this Academy Awards come around, if people are still gonna remember. But I think if it's a big enough hit, if it's a culturally enough important, like, everyone went to see it movie, it'll pop up. Because I think Best Picture is like 10,000 you can do now. You can nominate 10,000 movies. What? Really? Yeah. And yet, no nomination for Sonic 3. Guys, what the fuck? You need to see if they'll do it this year. Best animated? Come on.

[00:29:24] Honestly though, maybe during this conversation, do you think the biggest mistake you guys made on Sonic 3 was not putting a vampire in it? I do now, yeah. Yeah, this is... That's what happened. Shadow should have turned out to be a vampire. Who's the studio on that? Paramount. There you go. They cared about the movie. They had a marketed it. They were proud of it. You gotta work for Warner Brothers where they don't give a shit about it after it comes out and hope the TikTok picks it up.

[00:29:53] Okay, I have some more vampire related questions. Can we parse the logic of this movie a little bit? Sure, yeah. So it's like, basically once you become a vampire, you're pure evil instantly, seemingly, right? Well, I think that's the hive mind thing you were talking about. Right, but then it's like, once Stack becomes a vampire, because he's given smoke the leg. Like, come on, join us. It's better in here. Mm-hmm. That it seems like he's lying. It does. But then at the end of the movie, like the whole movie is like, vampires are pure evil.

[00:30:23] But then at the end, when they go and see Buddy Guy, it's more like actually vampires are pretty chill dudes when it gets down to it. Is it that they were evil while they were being controlled by the white guy? And now that the white guy is gone, now they're just chill? Yeah, they have their own autonomy. Well, I do. They had decades to grow. They did have decades to grow to buy those sweaters. It was a great sweater. It's a great sweater.

[00:30:48] I think I was going to say, oh, well, he, you know, once they kill the white guy, he's, he's chill now. But I think his brother let him live before they killed the white guy outside. Yeah. So, so he would have, so he wouldn't have been pure evil. Yeah. So you can't, I guess, use the logic of once he's no longer under the hive mind of that guy, he's, he's chill. I mean, it seems like maybe stack and what's your face.

[00:31:15] Haley were like, not really that evil the whole time. I don't know. They seemed pretty into it outside during the big fight. They're like, we got to get out of here. And they like run out of the building. And I was like, why did they do that? Like, it didn't, that's true. The logic. Interesting. I mean, I guess I didn't think too much about it. At that point I was like, wait, there's vampires in this. Can I pitch my alternate ending to this movie, by the way? Yeah. Wait, alternate ending or alternate 19th fucking post credit sequence.

[00:31:43] It was only one post credit sequence that should have been part of the movie. Two post credit sequences. Was there wait at the absolute end? There's like, you hear like another song, like a full, like blues song played. But no video. No, no, there's video. Like they're in the church. It's it's the, it's the character buddy guy when he's younger and he like plays a cover. Oh shit. He plays a cover. A full cover. I see the movie again. I left after the first ending. Oh no. Yeah, I did too. I didn't know there was one even later.

[00:32:12] I thought it was just like, oh cool. It's the 1990s. I didn't, I didn't know either, but I was like, the guy worked for Marvel. They probably. I feel like we should have gone even further in the future to see what those two crazy vampires were up to next. Yeah. We just suddenly cut to like, they're in some sort of like cybernetic war against the robots. They're two of the hosts on the voice or something. But so when we got to buddy guy, like a, it was like one shot of him playing the guitar. And you're like, oh, this guy turned out to be buddy guy. Then it's like the credit start.

[00:32:41] And you're like, that was the end. And then buddy guys credited. I'm like, they gave him an acting credit for that. And then we come back for this whole scene. But part of me was like, he knows that there are vampires out there. He's prepared. Perhaps buddy guy has rigged his blues joint up as a vampire trap. And he's going to like, you know, flip some switch and turn on some, some solar lights, like blade. And actually he's got some kind of a weapon hidden inside his guitar. Gotcha. This the whole time.

[00:33:11] Yeah. None of these people in my band are real. They just fall. They're like, they're just cardboard cutouts that fall forward. This band has been a front for 40 years. They're just my stakeholders. Pat and I did have a movie idea that are we all familiar with Bob Seger and the silver bullet band? Oh yeah. Yeah, totally. How dare you ask us that. Just do a movie where it's revealed that the whole band is just a bunch of vampire hunters. Or werewolf hunters. Yeah. Although you also need silver to kill vampires and some vampires. That's true.

[00:33:40] They could be just battling monsters in general, but like the band. It was supposed to be where is like a cover for them to travel the world, having these adventures. But you gotta be proficient in vampire and werewolf hunting. Um, but you also have to be able to like play your instrument good. It's like a similar concept as a buckaroo bonsai. It's just some guys that like a stage. But he's the heaviest amps I've ever moved in here. You know what I mean? It's like, don't no questions. Don't worry about it. Dude. There's only two problems I have with that.

[00:34:08] Alternative ending is my, my idea is bad. I'm going to go out on a limb and say, but that is the idea though. I'm not like still waiting for it. No, no, that was okay. Okay. My only problem with that is that I, we mentioned it before we got in the air, but return to Salem's lot, we've already have like old ass guy hunting a vampire and it's the best because he's actually just a Nazi hunter and it's amazing. Played by director Sam Fuller, right? Sam Fuller and Moriarty get after it. Michael Moriarty. Not Moriarty from Sherlock Holmes.

[00:34:37] They should have done a movie where Michael Moriarty played. Played Moriarty. Maybe they did. They probably did. It seems like he was doing an amazing for a guy who's like just bill Burr with the time machine. Like he did have a lot of work. I would feel about that. No, Bill Burr should play Moriarty. I wish my Michael Moriarty was big enough that we would get a bill Burr biopic. Now you may now I want to remake Q the winged serpent, but with yeah, with Bill Burr playing the Michael Moriarty part. I, I, that's how I watched it, dude.

[00:35:07] I watched Q after already knowing bill Burr. So I'm like, that's just bill Burr. So the, yeah, so there's that. And then I forgot the other reason why. Oh, the other reason was the other reason is nice. The reason is nice. I am glad there was no real undercut to the sentiment that it was the best day of all their lives. No. Yeah. That's why my idea would have ruined the end. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That I thought was like, You're not selling this idea Pat. You really undercut yourself there, man. Give up.

[00:35:37] I get that. Cause I, I, I prefer not undercutting stuff because I, I so often undercut things. So it's like, I look for the undercut or I do the undercut. And so when I see someone not do it, I'm like, God's brave, brave son of a bitch. And it's like, it works better every time. Like just to be sentimental was really nice. But like at the same buddy guy, he's been walking around his whole life. He became a big music star and he knows that there are fucking vampires out there. He's got, yeah. He thinks about that every day for all we know.

[00:36:05] Every one of his songs in that universe was like, they're real vampires. Are they real vampire song, dude? And it was like, really? Nobody's even asking for these vampire songs. It's like, they're going to be using them one day. Cause if you listen to all these albums in a row, it tells you how to find them, how to get rid of them. I love it. Yeah. So Jackson, you haven't said much. Did you hate this film? No, I liked it. I mean, the one I, he's sick of talking about vampires after your. Yeah. Yeah. He is sick of talking about vampires. Talking about vampires the other week.

[00:36:34] No, I mean the, the main kind of, the main movie I was thinking of watching it was the great Ernest Dickerson's demon. Demon. Yeah. I was thinking about demon. I haven't seen it. I just rewatched that or I put it on last night in preparation for this. And man, that movie is so fucking good. Well, I haven't seen it. I'm sure some people who are listening, haven't seen it. Give us like the quick, you know, what's the run? What is this movie about?

[00:37:02] So it does explain it in the crypt keeper voice. Yeah. Oh, another 12 DD. Yeah, he was the voice of the crypt keeper. John to see here. Yeah, there we go. No, I mean, it's all connected.

[00:37:16] It does a similar kind of thing where it's like, you know, apart from the crypt keeper intro, the start of it is like, oh, there's like a chase and you're following, you know, William Sadler, who is the bad guy in every movie you've seen up to that point. And square jawed, super handsome Billy Zane chasing after him. And then you're like, oh, is it like some kind of crime movie? Like, did this guy do something bad?

[00:37:45] And then, you know, you get a little further into it. And the big reveal is like, oh, he's there to arrest them. And then they find out there's like something kind of shady about the Billy Zane character. He ends up like punching a hole through a woman's face and you reveal he's a demon. Whoa. Yeah. And yeah, and it's like that response. Well, a woman's face was not at all what I thought the end of that sentence is going to be. No, I know. Well, yeah. All right. I think it's a it's a guy's face. Sorry.

[00:38:14] I'm out now. I'm out. Anyway, not that interested anymore. But anyway, like it's it's if you didn't have the intro with the Crypt Keeper, it would be very much like one of these like huge left turn genre ships. And like one of the things I really liked in that movie, which I wish they did a little more of in this is every person you think is going to make it out of that movie. The order is like completely fucked.

[00:38:43] You're just like, oh, like CCH Pounder is probably going to die pretty early. And it's like, no, she makes it like basically to the end of the movie. Jada Pinkett Smith is like the heroine. It's just all the people. Jada Pinkett Smith. So there's like a newer movie, at least from the 90s on. Yeah. The Smith part of her.

[00:39:04] Yeah, it sort of falls into the same subgenre as sinners and that ultimately it's about like this Motley Crue, like hold up in a place where they're like, how do we defend ourselves from the supernatural monsters that are trying to get in here? Got you. Demons can't get in because they have like this sort of like protection barrier from this, like this sort of like magic potion that William Sadler like puts down and it like seals off the doors. But it's like he's running out of it.

[00:39:31] And I did sort of wish there was like something like that rather than just like you just say, hey, get in here. Come on in. And that counts as your invite. And then they can all enter. That's the mythology. I was about to say, yeah, I mean, like it just kind of was just like, oh, okay, just one person like crazy. I mean, that part of the movie feels a little rushed.

[00:39:54] I think understandably, I think there was no finite amount of fucking magic juice they had to use on the doors because the way you describe that other movie and in some ways you could describe this movie is, you know, as as people are locked in a fucking place and they're surrounded by a monster. But this movie isn't that it isn't that until it is for a minute. And and I feel like these other movies, including Dusk Till Dawn and stuff, there is no world.

[00:40:21] I give a shit outside of that fucking sin that like that theater, that juke joint, that fucking titty twister, the titty twister. Yeah, like whatever it is, I don't my world is inside of this for the next however long where like I said, I was really fucking glued to my to my seat with like just the world building of a world. We're never going to spend any more time in at the end of this movie, which is upsetting a little bit to me. There's a fucking motorcycle outside. It's very annoying, but it's on.

[00:40:51] It's on. Yeah, I didn't hear it. Well, might have been a dog that said dog riding a motorcycle. Yeah, I think it was a dog riding. It was Poochie's going back to his planet. No. So yes, I bring this up because what did you guys think about the first hour and change the movie? Like I and I it's one of those things where afterwards I found out that like the Asian family owning the two stores across from each other is like a real thing. It's like based on a real like place in the south somewhere.

[00:41:19] I forgot what the town was based on like a real family that owned. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that's like a thing like all Asian families own two stores on opposite sides of the street. No, and I think the most interesting thing that I think this show I don't remember if this movie does that in this or if it's if it's highlighted in a way that I noticed, but I think in the real in the real one, this like Asian family like who own the two stores. They had like a whites only store directly across the street from the blacks store.

[00:41:47] Oh, and so but then I thought about that because there is a thing where it's like, hey, go get your dad or whatever in the girl has to go to the store across the street to get the other parent the mom the mom to make the sign. And so I was like, but I didn't I didn't see any of that kind of like in your face imagery about whether or not it was segregated. But I was like, oh, so that's that's really interesting.

[00:42:07] Like he was pulling from all these like real historical things about that time period and an opening a business and owning land and who would have been the shopkeepers at that time in that part of the country. And so it was like, oh, there's a lot of like historically smart and interesting and cool things that I would have to look up later. And then vampires, which I already knew about. I mean, it had like a super long act one, which I feel like probably like we wrote an act one that long.

[00:42:35] We'd get a ton of pushback, but Coogler had total control. So he was just like, fuck off. I'm doing this. And it totally works because it was all really interesting. And you were with the characters and just like stuff like haggling over whatever, like when he gets the little girl to like watch his truck. Yeah, that's awesome. And he's like, you should haggle with me, like demand more, which is I think is also probably on point for the themes they're building, especially since right after that, the Asian storekeeper lady haggles with them like super hard.

[00:43:02] Mm hmm. So there's a lot of stuff for me that was great in terms of, yeah, there's if you and I wrote any of those scenes, they'd be like, there's no we don't need to waste time and money on the girl haggle. You can just see it inside. But also we had to shoot those guys outside to show they're serious, which is part of that little girl moment. And the only part that didn't track for me, or at least I misread it or something I missed, like just didn't understand.

[00:43:27] I feel like it's been a little while since I've seen the movie. I feel like they, the cousin or the nephew or whatever the fuck it is, is like asking about how one of my group, how the Jordans his father died. He's like, oh, can you finally tell me now? And he's like, oh yeah, my brother beat the show of him, killed him or whatever. And then like, I want to say the very next scene was the other Michael B. Jordan, like at that grave outside. And like, I didn't know that was for his kid at all.

[00:43:55] No, we weren't supposed to know at first. You like figure that out later, I think. Cause it's got a little kid hand and stuff, but I genuinely thought it was his father's grave because they literally just went from, I killed my dad to someone at a grave. And I was like, oh, I guess he feels bad for killing his dad. He still has remorse in some way for that. And now he's, but also why would you put a little kid's hand on your dad's grave?

[00:44:18] I was so confused. Thank God that woman came in to be like, what are you doing here? Cause I was like, I can't be confused for one more second. Does dad have a tiny hand? That's all this shit. I was like, dude, man, Chris Elliott in scary movie too. Yeah. The little one it's stronger. Yeah, exactly. Dude. I thought it was the, I thought it was like, oh, you beat the shot of your dad. But he was like a little kid. Like that's not that impressive. Now you can write that movie.

[00:44:45] Yeah. But so that was the only part that I was like, kind of confused, but then I figured it out at the end. Cause I was then later I was like, why is there a baby at this battle right now? It's Tommy gun battle. Uh, smoke and stack just being gangsters the way they were. They reminded me of like the Shelby brothers and uh, Peaky blinders too. They had the same backstory being like world war one heroes who came back, but they're part of like a despised minority. So they got to become gangsters instead.

[00:45:11] It feels very Fargo too. Like the show Fargo, the show, like those could have been Fargo characters. I can see it. Yeah. Fargo's. I want to see a vampire season of Fargo. I mean, I want to see a Fargo season that takes place in the twenties. Like the twin cities, Minneapolis and St. Paul were like big gangster cities. Well, didn't they have during prohibition? What was the Chris rock series? It was not like from the sixties or something, or the Chris rock season was, I think I guess period piece.

[00:45:37] It was a period piece, but it wasn't a, it wasn't in the twin cities. It was in Kansas city. I think. Okay. It was in like the fifties or whatever. I want specifically the 1920s. We are getting real off topic of vampires. No, we're not because we got, we got into this Fargo, the TV show season idea, but it came with the vampires. I'm saying it came. I mean, if you want to talk vampires, we can talk about, uh, the kid from the big green and sandlot playing a vampire in a X files. Yeah.

[00:46:07] Oh, yeah. Wow. That was a, that was one of the all time great episodes of X files. I like that. You're like, if you want to talk vampires, we can talk about one episode of the X files. Guys. Well, I mean like, okay. So what's, let's round this near dark was the other vampire movie that sinners made me think about it. I love near dark and people hate on it hard for some reason. Yeah. Yeah. People do. You should not be friends with those people. Ed people find that movie boring.

[00:46:36] I like those people dude. Yeah. Um, people are people. They find it boring. No, they don't. No, they do. They don't know. They hate, they hate, they hate our way of life. They hate our way of life, dude. They don't like that. We like to watch that movie. Is it a soundtrack by tangerine dream? It is. Yeah. Fucking rules. Yeah. That movie slaps and they fucking like putting vampires sort of in like south, that sort of like very American, uh, you know, wide open spaces kind of thing. Like that sort of vampire Western. Well, Salem's lot. Right. Other Josh Miller exploding in the sun.

[00:47:06] Oh yeah. Other Josh. Okay. Well, let's, let's, since we're getting towards the end of where we want to take up your time. So we've all seen sinners. We all like sinners. We have complaints about it because why? What's just what you do when you leave a theater, you're going to talk about movies and just mine. I don't think we're even complaints. They're just questions. Yeah, exactly. It was very fun. I'm excited that there's, you know, obviously there's the, the idea that a, an original rated R movie did well. That's always good for everyone.

[00:47:36] But now where would you, it's too fresh, but I'm saying where, where are we putting sinners on like, like I would watch it again. And when that doesn't happen with movies that often these days, I do want to see it again, maybe even in theaters before it leaves. But like, um, is it going to be a top five vampire movie for you guys? Or is that not even anywhere near that? I don't know. Cause it's funny. Cause like of movies that have vampires in them from dusk till dawn is probably one of my favorites.

[00:48:02] But if you really wanted me to rank, like my favorite vampire movies, I would almost disqualify it in a sense. Cause I'm like, I don't know. It's like not cause it's basically just, they get trapped with vampires and then halfway through the movie, then it just turns into an endless action scene. Like it's not, even though it does do stuff of like Tom Savini getting bit and like trying to hide it and stuff. So it's kind of doing that was like a bit more like a zombie movie bit. Really?

[00:48:29] Like it's not really running through like what I think of as classic vampire movie tropes and things in the same way that even kind of like a modern, you know, like Fright Night, which is, you know, classic vampire movie. Cause it's modern day and it's in the suburbs and it's kind of spurting things, but it's still doing all the like basic vampire movie things. And I kind of feel the same way. Fright Night has got the great, like sort of seduction storyline going on with the girlfriend. Totally.

[00:48:58] I mean, sinners is sexy. So it has that vampire thing covered. They both, they are both sexy. But the vampires aren't really sexy. Yeah, but you're right. There's just their humans are boning all over the place. There's not a lot of agency. I guess this movie doesn't give a lot of agency to the idea of we need to defeat vampires. And I think that's what makes a vampire movie, a vampire movie a little bit where I got to find a mentor. I got to make tools. I need to build plans. We have a vampire problem.

[00:49:25] And where this was like, our bar is not having the opening we'd hoped for. It's kind of opening a small business movie. The native American vampire hunters. We're going to like come back and act three. Yeah. That's wonder though. Like now that this is such a big hit, we're going to get our like Furiosa, a like prequel movie. I forgot they existed. Honestly, guys, until right. You deal. You just said that. Yeah. Cause I was like, oh, they're coming back in the end.

[00:49:53] And then it was like, no, like in the morning, maybe they were going to show up and help clean up or whatever. I wonder now this is such a big hit. If there will be some kind of sequel or maybe a spinoff about them. I'm saying our Furiosa prequel. I mean, they're sure they're going to do the like 90 set sequel with Michael B. Jordan and Haley Steinfeld. Maybe where he's wearing like the Dwayne Wayne flip up sunglasses. I would love that. Cool. Like velvet DeVoe look that I am.

[00:50:22] I just don't know what that is. Like, what is that? What would that movie be? It would just be them to be in like, should we go see buddy guy today? And they go, no, not yet. Maybe they got to fight some monsters. Like right after that, you know, I'd be like, oh, like, what are there? You know, maybe it's like a getaway kind of thing. Like with Steve McQueen and Ally McGraw. Like, like there's a musical elements. And it has to have like thematic elements about race in America, which I feel like we're not qualified to come up with that. But Coogler is.

[00:50:50] But that what a good time to do it, though, with like the Rodney King stuff that was right around them. Yeah, dude, those white cats are all vampires probably when you think about it. Well, in that case, they would be buds. I don't know, guys. I think I'm going to do. I think I'm going to do a some like it hot situation where they have to. They have to make believe their their ladies at a like a Copacabana style. Wow. Left field pitch. Well, I only thought about it because I only thought about it because I don't know if you guys have seen this film.

[00:51:19] Some like I haven't really seen it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So do you remember the opening of something like a hot which fucking rules? We're screenwriter extraordinaires. Yeah, it's true. Oh, so. So you should know that then you remember the opening of something like a hot like they witness like a fucking gangland mafia murder. Massacre, right? Yeah. And it's like that movie opens and it wants from the get dude and it's a totally different movie until it becomes a comedy. Like it really opens hard as hell.

[00:51:49] And there's like violence and awesome shots of that like car. You don't know what the fuck's going on. And then they're like Mrs. Doubtfire in the rest of the movie, you know, drive by drive by fucking fruitings and shit the rest of the film. But like it opens so hard. And I actually did think of that movie at the opening of this movie because it opens hard like the dude showing up in the car like busted up ass car and he's holding like half a guitar. And what the fuck happened to this dude?

[00:52:16] So yeah, I like a was it who is it Brian De Palma who was who hates just fucking hates any movie that opens with the skyline. He's like it's the worst possible way you can open a movie like don't just fucking show us this. He's like it's your one opportunity to like just confuse people.

[00:52:34] I guess it's your one opportunity to do something and it's like you can open like I and I think because it was the Palma who did the blow up remake the blow blow out which fucking rules and that movie opens with a fucking different movie entirely than you realize they're editing it. And that's very like his his thing that one that piece of guitar at the beginning.

[00:52:57] I thought at the end that he was going to stake the vampire with the me to me to but he did want to make a movie that opens with a skyline shot. That's fucking awesome prove him wrong. It's on a different universe to the city. It's like here we are in downtown De Palma like De Palma fucking Minnesota. Absolutely. So it's insult to injury. Well anyway this was fun.

[00:53:21] I think we all saw a movie separately and then and then we talked about it for a podcast that has nothing to do with movies and less to do with vampires, but it just felt weird to not talk about it. So thanks for taking the time guys and next time. Yeah, thank you. Next time Chris will be here to have some semblance of like organization because I don't know how to do that. I think you did great Ed. I think you're a podcast host extraordinaire. Well, thanks. Yeah.

[00:53:45] So everyone this is the first installment and only installment of evening with the fang boys recorded at five in the afternoon with sunlight in every one of our windows just to keep the vampires away. We got to do it again. Keep talking about vampire movies. Well, yeah, I think I'm happy to do it. It's and if people if people like this let us know if people had it ahead at Jesus Christ. Yeah, if people had it then now I'm keeping it you jerks.

[00:54:13] Yeah, if people had it also they'll let us know. So all right, they're going to want to hear more of our ideas for Fargo seasons. Oh, maybe we can start just doing that. Thank fang boys on Fargo. The fang boys on Fargo is going to be top the fucking charts on iTunes. Yeah, yeah, thanks for having us. Thanks for coming out. I know. I know you guys are all real real busy. So and that that's real. I said that that was not sarcasm. I know you guys are really busy. All right.

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