The Bermuda Triangle w/ Let's Get Haunted

[00:00:00] This episode includes the usual amount of adult language and graphic discussions you've

[00:00:08] come to expect around here, but in the event it becomes an unusual amount, expect another

[00:00:13] call from me.

[00:00:15] Welcome back to Scared All The Time, I'm Chris Collari

[00:00:17] And I'm Edith O'Cola

[00:00:19] And we have a very special episode today.

[00:00:21] This week's episode is our very first crossover episode with another podcast.

[00:00:27] In just a minute we're going to be joined by Ali and Nat from the Let's Get Haunted podcast

[00:00:31] and to celebrate the mix I thought, why not cover a fear with some crossover elements as

[00:00:36] well?

[00:00:37] So, we're going to do the Bermuda Triangle, which combines a fear of flying, with a fear

[00:00:42] of the ocean, with a fear of aliens, with a fear of disappearing off the face of the

[00:00:46] earth never to be seen again.

[00:00:47] Which is exactly what has happened to so many unfortunate souls who have passed through

[00:00:50] the triangle.

[00:00:52] And while we don't hear about disappearances in the triangle as much as we used to,

[00:00:56] maybe that just means whatever's happening out there is tired, or full.

[00:01:00] Or just pacing itself to really get going somewhere around maybe like November 2024.

[00:01:06] But in the meantime, get in this rickety fishing boat with us as we set out to discover

[00:01:10] the mysteries of the Bermuda Triangle and try to make it back alive.

[00:01:15] What are we?

[00:01:16] Scared.

[00:01:17] When are we?

[00:01:18] All the time.

[00:01:19] Join us.

[00:01:20] Join us.

[00:01:21] Join us.

[00:01:22] Now it is time for...

[00:01:23] It's time for...

[00:01:24] Scared All The Time.

[00:01:26] All right, everybody.

[00:01:27] Welcome back to the show for the last episode of the season.

[00:01:32] This is going to be the last episode we record before we go on a little break.

[00:01:37] It's gonna be a couple weeks, I think, while we write and record some new stuff and get

[00:01:41] the Supercast up and running.

[00:01:44] And then we'll be back just like last time.

[00:01:46] So get used to this.

[00:01:47] It'll be 10 episodes on, couple weeks off.

[00:01:50] Yeah, that's kind of what we've established.

[00:01:52] And yeah, this episode is really fun.

[00:01:53] We're really excited to let you guys hear it.

[00:01:55] Chris, I think you were saying the research on the Bermuda Triangle is kind of like you

[00:01:58] kind of get down a road and then it kind of dissipates.

[00:02:01] Like what was what's the situation with Bermuda Triangle?

[00:02:03] Yeah, no, the Bermuda Triangle, it's a mystery.

[00:02:06] And a lot of the research that's been done on the Bermuda Triangle, a lot of the

[00:02:11] information that's out there is sketchy at best.

[00:02:15] Not because the people who are collecting it are necessarily sketchy, but it's a

[00:02:20] lot of rumor and hearsay and old chip tales and not a lot of concrete information outside

[00:02:29] of some of the major incidences like Flight 19, which we'll talk about in a little bit.

[00:02:34] So it's a good one to have fun with.

[00:02:35] That's what I was thinking.

[00:02:36] Yeah.

[00:02:37] Yeah, lots of weird theories.

[00:02:38] It seemed like the perfect thing to bring a couple of fun people around to do it with

[00:02:42] us because it gives us freedom.

[00:02:44] We're not stuck on, oh, well here's every beat of this story that's well known

[00:02:49] or whatever.

[00:02:50] We kind of looked at some fun stuff and had a good time.

[00:02:52] So it's a pretty fast and loose episode.

[00:02:54] It was a joy to do.

[00:02:55] Yeah, I'd say.

[00:02:56] And then I think the only setup we'd have for you guys is obviously if you're not into

[00:03:01] a lot of chit chat, there's a chapter that's provided in the description of the episode.

[00:03:04] So if you want to go straight to the stories, straight to the theories, whatever, obviously

[00:03:07] it's always an option.

[00:03:09] And there's a few things in this episode that they're visual and we don't provide

[00:03:14] a video component to this show, but any of that stuff will be in the show notes.

[00:03:18] A couple of very fun things that you can go to the show notes and see what we are

[00:03:22] seeing.

[00:03:23] And on the topic of things we were seeing, we did it over a site called StreamYard

[00:03:27] and so it's no different than if you're on Zoom or something, you get these kind

[00:03:30] of Brady Bunch boxes and we'll address a number of times mine increases

[00:03:35] placement in those boxes.

[00:03:36] So when you hear us talking about that, we're talking about our screens that

[00:03:39] we're seeing them on, which should be pretty obvious when we say it, but just

[00:03:42] in case it isn't.

[00:03:43] Yeah, our listeners are the sharpest of the sharp, the brightest of the bright.

[00:03:46] I don't think we need to hold their hands too much on this.

[00:03:49] You guys have seen a computer before.

[00:03:50] If you haven't, then send us, I don't know, a pigeon, a hawk.

[00:03:54] Let us know what it's like out there in the world of no computers.

[00:03:56] Yeah, contact us from the past.

[00:03:59] If you can, if you can, if you can't, that's, you know, that's no fault

[00:04:02] of anyone, but if you can hit us up care of pre COVID.

[00:04:08] That seems to be a great time to send things.

[00:04:11] So with all that said, let's get haunted.

[00:04:13] Ooh.

[00:04:17] See what we did there?

[00:04:18] We're already having fun.

[00:04:20] Here's the show.

[00:04:21] Enjoy.

[00:04:21] All right, without further ado, it's our pleasure to introduce two very cool,

[00:04:25] very funny people to the show right now, Ali and Nat, co-hosts of Let's Get Haunted.

[00:04:30] Welcome to scared all the time.

[00:04:31] Hello.

[00:04:32] Hello.

[00:04:34] I know you don't have a video component, but I just feel very emotive.

[00:04:37] So if the audience can just imagine me like fist pumping, that would

[00:04:41] really make my evening or day whenever you upload these.

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:45] And that's Ali, by the way, you heard who's a lot and I'm not.

[00:04:48] And I'm so stoked to be your first crossover ever.

[00:04:53] Hell yeah, dude.

[00:04:53] Are you guys nervous right now?

[00:04:55] Always.

[00:04:57] Always.

[00:04:58] I'm nervous every time I have to text Ed.

[00:05:00] I'm nervous every time I have to talk to my mom.

[00:05:03] Nervous is a constant.

[00:05:04] That's why we're scared all the time.

[00:05:06] That's kind of the whole idea.

[00:05:08] I really dig the name.

[00:05:10] I do because I feel like Panic 24-7 is one of my mottos I live by.

[00:05:15] So this is this is just the perfect crossover for my anxiety to yours as well.

[00:05:21] Good.

[00:05:22] Yeah, actually just picked up a I was at a comic convention and I was always good

[00:05:25] on artist Ali and I see who like the just regular ass people making cool shit is, you know?

[00:05:30] And so I'm always trying to support that.

[00:05:32] And I found this woman who makes this really great kind of like 1940s, 50s style

[00:05:36] art and one of them is like this woman on like a couch and like outside the window

[00:05:42] was like a nuclear explosion or whatever.

[00:05:43] And it says and I'm paraphrasing, so I'm in front of me, but I bought it

[00:05:47] because I'm like this rules and it says like any room could be a panic room.

[00:05:51] If you just give me a fucking moment.

[00:05:54] Right?

[00:05:55] Yes.

[00:05:55] Yes, peaceful.

[00:05:57] That's a beautiful little piece there you can put on your fireplace.

[00:06:00] Yeah, certainly.

[00:06:01] Well, we don't have a fireplace.

[00:06:02] Any place could be a fireplace if you start a fire.

[00:06:05] That's true.

[00:06:06] Any place can be a fireplace.

[00:06:08] Sorry, Chris, you were saying I was just going to ask Ali and Nat before we

[00:06:12] dive into the Bermuda Triangle to tell us a little bit about yourselves.

[00:06:15] Like, when did you get interested in the paranormal?

[00:06:18] How did the show start?

[00:06:20] Do you have any favorite episodes you've done?

[00:06:21] Just kind of take us on a little journey through the world of let's get haunted.

[00:06:25] Nat, do you want to know?

[00:06:26] No, no, you know, fuck no.

[00:06:28] I knew you were going to say no, but I still offer.

[00:06:31] Can we say curse words on your show?

[00:06:33] Of course.

[00:06:34] You can say fuck anything.

[00:06:35] Oh, yeah.

[00:06:36] There's no fucking way I want to do that.

[00:06:38] You go.

[00:06:39] We just today right before you got on, we just got like a new message

[00:06:42] to like the website.

[00:06:43] They left like a message being like, hey, you know, you guys are

[00:06:46] swear too much.

[00:06:47] I want my goods to listen to it.

[00:06:48] But oh my God.

[00:06:50] We have people complained to.

[00:06:51] Yeah, we got a one star review where someone was like, this is so unlady

[00:06:55] like they say the F word, they say the D word and the S word.

[00:06:59] They need to like get some manners.

[00:07:01] They were mad that we talked about our bushes, which isn't even like.

[00:07:05] Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

[00:07:05] I don't even think that's like a crime, you know?

[00:07:08] No, not in California.

[00:07:09] Yeah, I will say this guy was particularly concerned.

[00:07:13] It was both very funny to read this email and be like, I'm sorry, man.

[00:07:17] And if you're listening, sir, we are probably not going to stop swearing.

[00:07:21] But his main concern was that he wants his kids to be able to listen

[00:07:25] and he doesn't want them to think that swearing is acceptable

[00:07:28] in a professional in a professional environment.

[00:07:31] To which I say this is the least professional environment imaginable.

[00:07:35] And at least Ed and I are only doing this because we've almost failed

[00:07:39] at everything else you've ever done.

[00:07:41] So I'm sure your children, sir, will be fine.

[00:07:44] Right.

[00:07:44] I don't know.

[00:07:45] Sounds like a that guy problem.

[00:07:46] We had a lot of moms that actually just recently, two different moms

[00:07:50] had awesome responses to like eat and alive and something else where they

[00:07:53] were like, well, my son keeps quoting Chris like hating on Smurfs or whatever.

[00:07:58] He came home and he's like, told my husband like, oh, Smurf sound disgusting.

[00:08:02] I would never touch a smurf.

[00:08:04] He should never.

[00:08:04] Or whatever.

[00:08:04] And I was like, oh, so we have like more than one parent who definitely

[00:08:07] listens to it with their kids and don't give a shit.

[00:08:10] Yeah, we love moms.

[00:08:11] We love dads.

[00:08:12] We just don't love people that leave one star reviews and we won't

[00:08:15] apologize for it.

[00:08:16] No.

[00:08:16] Well, one star reviews for their own personal issues is annoying.

[00:08:19] Yeah.

[00:08:20] Like that's a you problem.

[00:08:21] It's not an us problem.

[00:08:22] Right.

[00:08:22] The you heard us.

[00:08:23] We should get three stars for being, I guess, well produced

[00:08:26] enough to hear our swears, you know.

[00:08:29] I agree.

[00:08:30] Allie, you got to tell them what we were supposed to tell them.

[00:08:33] OK.

[00:08:34] Yes.

[00:08:34] Thank you very much for inviting us on Chris and Ed.

[00:08:37] We're very, very excited.

[00:08:39] We were really excited to see that.

[00:08:41] I don't know if you were lying or not, but your email said that

[00:08:43] you've listened to us before.

[00:08:44] And so that made us very excited too.

[00:08:47] Nat and I actually met in college.

[00:08:49] So we've known each other for a very long time.

[00:08:52] Same.

[00:08:52] Same Z's.

[00:08:53] Oh, really?

[00:08:54] Chris and I went to college together.

[00:08:56] Oh, nice.

[00:08:56] How'd you guys meet or should I finish?

[00:08:58] I don't know.

[00:08:59] Most of our one-side reviews are about me interrupting.

[00:09:01] So just get you through it.

[00:09:03] No, you finish, then we'll do ours.

[00:09:05] Yeah.

[00:09:05] OK.

[00:09:05] All right.

[00:09:06] Nat and I met in college.

[00:09:07] We were like nineteen or something.

[00:09:10] We're in a sorority, but we were like we're not liked by the sorority.

[00:09:14] Like they wanted to get rid of Alyssa.

[00:09:16] And then Alyssa got me as like a little and then they for

[00:09:20] sure wanted us both dead.

[00:09:21] And we just kept hanging in there.

[00:09:24] Yeah, we were.

[00:09:24] You're talking about murder.

[00:09:25] Yeah, we know we weren't welcome.

[00:09:27] They would have been excited if we had died.

[00:09:30] She's that's like I'm going to leave it at that, you know, like they

[00:09:33] we were a problem to them in so many ways.

[00:09:36] And so what in your most recent episode you guys dealt with, I don't know,

[00:09:40] balloon gate.

[00:09:41] You guys had some balloons pop up in your zoom, I think.

[00:09:44] Oh, my God.

[00:09:45] That's so embarrassing.

[00:09:46] Oh, my God.

[00:09:46] Pog mother right now.

[00:09:48] You don't think that's your old sorority thinking you guys had passed?

[00:09:51] Wow.

[00:09:51] And having a little party.

[00:09:52] I will say a lot of people from that sorority follow me on social

[00:09:56] media and will like DM me about it.

[00:09:58] Listen to your show and stuff.

[00:10:00] Yeah, fucking.

[00:10:00] And I just ignore it.

[00:10:02] I know.

[00:10:02] So that's so fake.

[00:10:03] Their beef was actually they I'm sure they didn't want us dead.

[00:10:06] They just were concerned about us representing them because we both

[00:10:10] smoked weed and at the time for that sorority, which was like a very

[00:10:15] conservative, prissy.

[00:10:16] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:10:17] I'm trying to be like pot.

[00:10:18] Yeah, maybe conservative.

[00:10:19] It was a conservative sorority.

[00:10:20] It was a lot of fun.

[00:10:21] I had fun.

[00:10:21] We made a lot of good long lasting friendships, blah, blah, blah,

[00:10:24] whatever else.

[00:10:24] But yeah, they just didn't like that we smoked weed.

[00:10:27] And so it was like a constant battle of not wanting to be represented by us.

[00:10:33] But then also, yeah, they all still follow and like will DM and stuff being

[00:10:38] like, oh, I just listened to this episode.

[00:10:39] It was so funny.

[00:10:40] And I'm like, really?

[00:10:41] Like, yeah.

[00:10:42] Take what you can get.

[00:10:43] I guess.

[00:10:44] But yeah.

[00:10:44] So in a more positive note, Nat and I really bonded because we were the

[00:10:49] two weird people that would be up really, really late at night kind of going

[00:10:53] down a YouTube rabbit hole.

[00:10:55] And I would say this is probably before it was okay to admit that you watched

[00:10:59] YouTube or that you were invested in YouTubers.

[00:11:02] And so we kind of bonded over going down different conspiracy rabbit holes

[00:11:08] and listening to like 911 calls.

[00:11:10] I know that's dark, but like this was very novel at the time.

[00:11:13] Like, oh my God, YouTube and you can listen to whatever you want to listen

[00:11:16] to.

[00:11:17] And so we would like text each other at 3 a.m.

[00:11:19] And be like, are you still up?

[00:11:20] I can't sleep.

[00:11:21] I'm having a panic attack because I just listened to the phone calls of people

[00:11:24] that died in 911 and holy shit, this is so terrible.

[00:11:27] Yeah.

[00:11:28] But yeah, so that was kind of our like foray into being interested

[00:11:32] in things that are maybe a little darker.

[00:11:34] And then that quickly moved into like ghosts and paranormal stuff.

[00:11:40] Yeah.

[00:11:40] Now it seems like there's nothing off limits.

[00:11:42] Like we just talk about anything that we're not supposed to talk about

[00:11:45] if we want people to take us seriously, it seems.

[00:11:48] Oh yeah.

[00:11:49] You guys like next episode beheading videos.

[00:11:52] It's going to be a doozy.

[00:11:53] Yeah.

[00:11:54] We've unfortunately talked about beheading videos several times on our podcast.

[00:11:58] Nice.

[00:11:59] Chris, you missed that 13 part series they did on beheading?

[00:12:02] I did.

[00:12:02] I yeah, I didn't I only got to part 11.

[00:12:06] But yeah, Ed and I met in college too.

[00:12:08] We were both at film school in Boston.

[00:12:10] And I think I first met Ed when he stayed at my apartment and then didn't leave

[00:12:17] for like weeks because he said the train shut down too early.

[00:12:21] And he was sleeping on the couch for a while.

[00:12:23] I play video games.

[00:12:25] I did.

[00:12:25] I didn't have an Xbox and you guys did.

[00:12:28] Yeah, I got really into like one game like his elder scrolls game.

[00:12:31] I can't leave at that point.

[00:12:32] Yeah.

[00:12:32] And then I play it until the book.

[00:12:33] Well, the T is going to shut down, but yeah, I'm going to just stay here,

[00:12:37] you know, wait, you would go to someone else's house to like

[00:12:40] hijack their Xbox console and then also like not leave.

[00:12:45] Yeah, I didn't say I was like the best friend to have at the time.

[00:12:49] Well, we're still to give to give a little context, Emerson.

[00:12:53] And for for the listeners, I guess this is some Chris and Ed lore

[00:12:56] that we never thought we'd probably talk about.

[00:12:58] But we were at film school and Emerson was a very everybody

[00:13:02] like and probably partied more than I did.

[00:13:04] Hell yeah.

[00:13:05] But most of us that worked on set really didn't party or do anything

[00:13:09] like we would try to arrange our classes so that we could work on short films

[00:13:14] from like Wednesday to Tuesday.

[00:13:16] Yeah, if we could take like one day of classes and then work on other people's

[00:13:21] music videos and stuff as much as possible.

[00:13:22] So that's impressive.

[00:13:23] And would crash at our place, but it wasn't like anyone was there or cared.

[00:13:28] We just come home at like three in the morning from some set

[00:13:31] and there'd be this guy playing elder scrolls.

[00:13:34] Hey, look, I was a year ahead of you.

[00:13:36] So I'd already worked on all that crap.

[00:13:37] Yeah. You know, I earned some video game time at that point.

[00:13:40] Either way, we met in college guys.

[00:13:42] I am better about boundaries when it comes to things I don't own now.

[00:13:48] So it's fine.

[00:13:50] Everything is fine.

[00:13:50] So yes, we have that shared space.

[00:13:53] We both went to college with the co-host of our shows.

[00:13:55] Yes, I feel like though in order to become friends with somebody,

[00:14:00] you kind of have to like push people's boundaries

[00:14:04] in order to like get to know the real them.

[00:14:05] Otherwise, we would all just be like, this is my boundary.

[00:14:08] Don't cross it and we would never get to know each other.

[00:14:10] So while it is important to have boundaries in certain areas,

[00:14:13] I feel like that's how true friendships are forged.

[00:14:16] Yeah.

[00:14:16] Like through the adversity and the annoyance and like everything negative.

[00:14:21] I'm going to bully you until you're my friend.

[00:14:23] Yeah.

[00:14:24] Yeah.

[00:14:25] I was to say in the film industry, that's part of why I think my best

[00:14:28] friends are my friends from college and from high school because in the film

[00:14:31] industry, like a lot of people I've met, I'm really great friends with.

[00:14:34] But because there's that work element, like everyone's always very boundary.

[00:14:39] Like no one makes fun of each other too much.

[00:14:42] No one like no one wants to upset anybody.

[00:14:45] So my older friends are the ones that I'm comfortable being jackass with.

[00:14:48] That's true.

[00:14:49] That's very insightful.

[00:14:51] Right?

[00:14:51] We're trauma bonded.

[00:14:53] Yeah, we are.

[00:14:55] This is the last thing I'll say about our friend group because we should

[00:14:57] move on, but this is a perfect example of that is our buddy Pat.

[00:15:00] He moved to Brooklyn a bunch of years ago kind of weirdly before it was

[00:15:04] like everyone did and he's since left, but I remember him being like, Hey,

[00:15:07] come check out my apartment in the city, man.

[00:15:09] Come check it out.

[00:15:10] I'm from Connecticut, so it's like a little over an hour train ride into the city.

[00:15:13] So I'm like, okay, sure.

[00:15:14] I'll come check it out.

[00:15:15] I get there.

[00:15:16] He is sitting on the fucking tailgate of a U-Haul and I'm like, come check

[00:15:22] out your apartment.

[00:15:23] He's like, Oh yeah, yeah, by checkout, I mean help me move in.

[00:15:25] Oh my God.

[00:15:27] If I had said it like you probably wouldn't have come right?

[00:15:30] I'm like, Yeah, of course I wouldn't.

[00:15:31] It's a fucking nightmare.

[00:15:32] That is so.

[00:15:33] Wow.

[00:15:34] No, that's bold.

[00:15:35] I like that.

[00:15:36] I love that.

[00:15:36] Yeah.

[00:15:37] That's the level of like the tightness of this friend group though is like,

[00:15:39] all right, fine.

[00:15:40] You idiot.

[00:15:40] I like that.

[00:15:41] Yeah.

[00:15:41] Cause what are you going to do then?

[00:15:42] You're already there.

[00:15:44] It's like an hour back to where you came from.

[00:15:46] Minimum.

[00:15:47] Yeah.

[00:15:47] Yeah.

[00:15:48] So anyway, Chris, next question.

[00:15:50] Yeah.

[00:15:50] Well, I think we've kind of discovered that these podcasts are even more

[00:15:54] similar than I already thought.

[00:15:56] We're America's number one fear based podcast and you two are the only

[00:16:00] investigative journalism about shit that may or may not have even happened in

[00:16:03] the first place, which I think is kind of perfect.

[00:16:06] So I just want to say to the listeners that if you haven't heard of Let's Get

[00:16:10] Haunted somehow, you're going to have a good time listening.

[00:16:12] Go check them out.

[00:16:13] It's like finding 175 new episodes of scared all the time, but better.

[00:16:18] So all that said, when we first got in contact with Nat and Allie,

[00:16:21] I asked them to send us their top fears so that we could try to build

[00:16:25] an episode around what scares them.

[00:16:27] And I wanted to ask you guys mind if I share your responses.

[00:16:30] Go for it, please.

[00:16:32] All right.

[00:16:33] So Allie's top three.

[00:16:35] I believe that the top one was death, which I think we can all agree is very

[00:16:39] scary and horrifying.

[00:16:40] I would say sort of the end state of pretty much all other fears.

[00:16:45] Sort of like all all fears result in death, all squares or rectangles or

[00:16:49] whatever. It's that that's the thing.

[00:16:52] Airplanes, which we just did an episode on.

[00:16:54] So I didn't want to build around that.

[00:16:55] But then last and not least, we have submacanaphobia.

[00:16:59] So Allie, can you tell us a little bit about submacanaphobia?

[00:17:03] All right. For the listeners, imagine, have you ever been kayaking

[00:17:08] and you're getting closer to a buoy in the water and you're like, wow,

[00:17:13] this buoy is not only disgusting because it's old and rusty and covered

[00:17:18] in slime, but it's also menacing.

[00:17:21] And I can't put my finger on it.

[00:17:23] I just know that it's absolutely.

[00:17:25] I don't want to be near it at all.

[00:17:27] I'm going to give it a wide berth, right?

[00:17:29] So I didn't realize that there is a name for this fear until we were doing

[00:17:33] an episode on the SS Cam Loops, which is a shipwreck that occurred in Lake

[00:17:39] Superior, I forget what year this was like the 1900s at some point.

[00:17:44] And I was looking at different pictures of this shipwreck and I was just

[00:17:50] so skis out and one of the parts of the episode was about how man made things

[00:17:57] under the water can induce a fear in humans called submacanaphobia.

[00:18:02] And scientists aren't really sure why.

[00:18:05] And it doesn't have to be completely submerged in water.

[00:18:07] It could be half submerged in water.

[00:18:09] You could be able to see the mast of a ship sticking out of water

[00:18:12] and it could still freak you out.

[00:18:13] Cars in lakes, like we did an episode on Lake Lanier.

[00:18:17] That episode was so disgusting to me just because of cars in lakes.

[00:18:22] The idea that you're just in a fishing boat and you look down and some guy is

[00:18:27] just dead in there with his tail lights on, like pointing up to the sky.

[00:18:30] Like that is so gross to me.

[00:18:32] And it just scares me and it makes me so uncomfortable.

[00:18:35] So the scariest part of Psycho for you wasn't the shower scene.

[00:18:38] It was when Norman lowers the car into the pond in the back of the hotel.

[00:18:43] You're like, oh, God, please, please.

[00:18:46] Make that connection.

[00:18:47] But yes, there's a pond, not even a lake, a pond that was like dredged by me.

[00:18:56] Well, not by me here, by me in Connecticut, like by where I grew up,

[00:18:59] which tried to solve like 6,000 crimes in an afternoon, I guess.

[00:19:03] And when they dredged it, it was just like car, car,

[00:19:06] million guns with the serial number shaved off.

[00:19:09] It's so fucking true.

[00:19:11] And it was just like, man, this this pond, this pond can talk.

[00:19:14] But anyway, it's so true.

[00:19:16] Yeah, I always fall down those YouTube rabbit holes of like guys that'll go

[00:19:20] diving into rivers and streams and lakes and pull out like they'll film

[00:19:25] themselves on GoPros underwater GoPros and you just see them coming upon gun

[00:19:30] knife, gun, knife, car.

[00:19:33] Yeah. And you're just thinking, good Lord.

[00:19:35] Yeah, I think there was like a 75 year history where it was just like if

[00:19:39] I throw this away, I'm going to get away with it for sure.

[00:19:42] Like it was no DNA yet.

[00:19:43] It was just like, all right, did the crime and toss it in fucking this lake

[00:19:47] and lived to a ripe old age and then died of natural causes.

[00:19:51] Like no one gets in trouble for the longest time if you just use,

[00:19:54] I don't know, three feet of water to keep you out of jail.

[00:19:58] For sure.

[00:19:58] It's Italian's greatest contribution to nature.

[00:20:01] Cars and guns backed.

[00:20:03] Salute to the Italians listening to this right now.

[00:20:06] Hey, you're a resourceful bunch.

[00:20:09] So sub-baccana phobia was kind of when I saw that a little

[00:20:13] bell went off because when I looked at Nat's greatest fears,

[00:20:17] number three is demons, which obviously, of course,

[00:20:22] number two is unfulfilled dreams, which holy shit.

[00:20:25] Do Ed and I have plenty of those?

[00:20:27] But number one is thalassophobia.

[00:20:30] Now, so Nat, can you tell us a little bit about thalassophobia?

[00:20:34] I knew this was going to happen.

[00:20:35] Alyssa wrote thalassophobia.

[00:20:38] Alyssa, what does the lassophobia mean?

[00:20:40] We have had so many conversations where Nat's like,

[00:20:43] eww, a lake.

[00:20:45] It's like slimy on the bottom and you get so much water.

[00:20:48] You don't know what's down there.

[00:20:50] Yeah, and oceans.

[00:20:52] Yes.

[00:20:52] Yeah. So basically I just have this fear of like,

[00:20:55] I guess you would describe it as like the opposite of claustrophobia.

[00:20:58] Like when things just go infinite forever, right?

[00:21:01] Like imagine like a huge ocean that just extends throughout the horizon forever.

[00:21:06] Or the idea of space, like thinking about how far away

[00:21:10] the stars are and things, it just it makes me feel uneasy.

[00:21:13] You know, just like the vastness of it because it just feels unsafe.

[00:21:18] It feels like you could just fall off or you could just get lost.

[00:21:21] Or there's nothing grounding you.

[00:21:22] There's nothing to hold on to.

[00:21:24] Half of me is like scared of that.

[00:21:26] And the other half of me is like, stop being such a pussy.

[00:21:28] It's like water, you know, like shut up, like stupid.

[00:21:32] No, I mean, and I have talked about how we could probably do a whole season

[00:21:36] on oceans mostly because of the fear of just the vastness of it.

[00:21:40] And how many things can go wrong.

[00:21:42] Yeah. No, we are both guys that like see we touches our foot.

[00:21:46] We're the worst people to be around for the rest of the day.

[00:21:48] Like we're shot. Yeah.

[00:21:49] Forget about it. The beach isn't fun anymore.

[00:21:51] We're like, you see what touched me?

[00:21:53] Yeah. Something.

[00:21:53] Anyway, don't don't talk to me.

[00:21:55] I would never venture in.

[00:21:56] I stepped on a skate once and it was like,

[00:21:59] I probably never need to go to the beach again.

[00:22:01] Yeah. And their skates are like those little they're like little

[00:22:03] like not made to raise, but they're like little flat bastards.

[00:22:07] Oh, wow. Fliming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:09] That's gross.

[00:22:10] Why are they got to be flat?

[00:22:11] What are they trying to do?

[00:22:12] Why they got to fucking be flat?

[00:22:13] I know. I know.

[00:22:14] They should have flags.

[00:22:16] You know what that's a sus form to take.

[00:22:18] Yeah, I agree. I agree.

[00:22:21] Flat. Yeah.

[00:22:22] Flat Stanley was the worst.

[00:22:23] I never trusted that guy in kindergarten.

[00:22:27] Do you guys know who I'm talking about?

[00:22:28] You looked at me so blank.

[00:22:30] No, he like travels.

[00:22:31] You send him around to people and they like take pictures.

[00:22:34] Yeah, something like that.

[00:22:35] It was like a drawing of a kid at like a 2D literal drawing of a kid.

[00:22:40] And then somebody would take him home from class and take a photo of him somewhere.

[00:22:45] Somebody else would take him home, take a photo of him somewhere else.

[00:22:48] Right. You guys both had flat Stanley.

[00:22:50] I have heard of flat Stanley.

[00:22:52] I know stick stickly.

[00:22:54] What's is that a stick?

[00:22:56] Kind of kind of a similar idea.

[00:22:58] He was just a popsicle stick on Nickelodeon.

[00:23:01] Yeah, he was like a little popsicle stick guy.

[00:23:03] But I don't think they took pictures of him places.

[00:23:05] Nickelodeon had the best like just random characters though like face.

[00:23:11] Do you guys remember face?

[00:23:12] Oh yeah, face was just the whole screen and he's got a little.

[00:23:14] Yeah, face was amazing.

[00:23:16] Stick stickly.

[00:23:17] They have that inside out boy for a bit.

[00:23:19] Does anybody remember inside out?

[00:23:21] Who went over the top of the swing and turned inside out.

[00:23:23] He became inside out.

[00:23:25] Ew. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:23:27] That was actually, yeah, that was a fun body horror.

[00:23:30] I feel like David Kronenberg would make the inside out boy movie.

[00:23:33] Oh, 100 percent would.

[00:23:34] Disgusting. That does seem Kronenberg.

[00:23:37] Yes.

[00:23:38] Well, I assumed both of your watery fears

[00:23:41] would be triggered by the idea of the Bermuda Triangle and floating across a

[00:23:45] massive expanse of deep water with God knows what kind of wrecks rotting beneath

[00:23:50] the surface just floating covered in seaweed, rusting maybe a little skeleton

[00:23:55] in the pilot's seat with its jaw wide open.

[00:23:58] No, I assume most people listening to this have some sense of what the Bermuda Triangle

[00:24:04] is, but for the uninitiated, let's hit a quick definition from botanica.com.

[00:24:08] The Bermuda Triangle is a section of the North Atlantic Ocean in which more than

[00:24:13] 50 ships and 20 airplanes are said to have mysteriously disappeared.

[00:24:17] The area whose boundaries are not universally agreed upon has a triangular

[00:24:22] shape that reaches approximately from the Atlantic coast of Florida to Bermuda,

[00:24:26] to the islands known as the Greater Antilles.

[00:24:29] Reports of unexplained occurrences in the region date to the mid 19th century.

[00:24:34] Some ships were discovered completely abandoned for no apparent reason.

[00:24:37] Others transmitted no distress signals and were never seen or heard from again.

[00:24:42] Aircraft have been reported to have vanished and rescue missions are said

[00:24:46] to have vanished when flying in the area.

[00:24:48] However, wreckage has never been found.

[00:24:50] And some of the theories advanced to explain the repeated mysteries have been

[00:24:54] fanciful, so I'm not sure about the specific number of vehicles that have

[00:24:58] gone missing in the triangle. In my research, it seems like that 50-20

[00:25:02] number comes up a lot, but I did watch a YouTube video that claimed

[00:25:06] two thousand ships and 200 planes have gone missing, which seems

[00:25:11] hilariously high to me.

[00:25:12] Like even over a century, I feel like the military would get involved.

[00:25:16] If two thousand ships went missing, that's too many.

[00:25:21] In any case, the first mention of the area known as the Bermuda Triangle didn't

[00:25:26] really come until the mid 20th century in 1964 when a writer named Vincent Gaddis

[00:25:32] catalogued the many catastrophes that had taken place there since the late

[00:25:36] 1800s at a pulp magazine called Argosy.

[00:25:39] 10 years later, the paranormal enthusiast Charles Burlitz released a best-selling

[00:25:44] book about the Bermuda Triangle aptly named The Bermuda Triangle,

[00:25:48] which went on to sell more than 14 million copies.

[00:25:52] Damn. And that's when like, yeah, everybody read like books.

[00:25:55] You could actually be like an author that made money.

[00:25:58] That's so much money.

[00:25:59] And triangles had their time from Pythagoras.

[00:26:02] Like they had like two thousand strong years.

[00:26:05] So that's true.

[00:26:07] That's like a fucking resurgence on triangle material is pretty good.

[00:26:11] Yeah, I think triangles reached their peak personally with Subway cheese.

[00:26:16] I like the way that they tessellate the cheese on the sandwiches.

[00:26:19] It's very satisfying.

[00:26:21] And I feel like it's been an all downhill since then for triangles.

[00:26:24] Yeah, you get cheese in the hand of artists.

[00:26:27] I mean, sandwich artist.

[00:26:28] It's going to work out for you.

[00:26:29] And then in 1994, when I was in second grade,

[00:26:34] I wrote a book called True But Strange Unsolved Mysteries Volume Two.

[00:26:39] Oh my God.

[00:26:40] You guys holding up like a very child,

[00:26:45] like yet professional and definitely full of true things book.

[00:26:51] You know, like it looks like it's been like bound at Kinko's.

[00:26:54] You guys know what I'm talking about?

[00:26:55] Yeah, the spiral binding.

[00:26:57] No, I want the kids to know about Kinko's.

[00:26:59] Yeah, the title page is like written in crayon and laminated.

[00:27:04] It says, what does it say unsolved mysteries?

[00:27:06] Give us the title again.

[00:27:07] True But Strange Unsolved Mysteries Volume Two.

[00:27:10] Yeah, it's written in crayon.

[00:27:11] It's amazing.

[00:27:12] This book sold zero copies so far.

[00:27:15] Is that like a comet or do you cross out a word?

[00:27:18] What's this like black streak across this front?

[00:27:20] It's an underline.

[00:27:21] Oh, so well, you guys can't you guys can't probably see very well on my shitty

[00:27:25] laptop camera, but it's a green patch of land with a giant footprint

[00:27:30] because Bigfoot is one of the subjects.

[00:27:33] OK, sure.

[00:27:34] What happened to the first version?

[00:27:36] Yeah, why did you name these books like the way people name boats?

[00:27:39] A boy of culture.

[00:27:40] Because honestly, you want to know, I'm pretty sure it's because I had checked out

[00:27:46] the time life mysteries of the universe or whatever books at the library about

[00:27:51] Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster.

[00:27:52] I think those were all like volume one, volume two.

[00:27:55] So is this plagiarized or is this an original work?

[00:27:58] No, so this is researched.

[00:27:59] Let's say research.

[00:28:01] It's probably plagiarized.

[00:28:03] The reason that I bring this book up is because chapter four of this book

[00:28:08] is about the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:28:10] Oh, wow.

[00:28:10] So I thought it would be fun for second grade

[00:28:14] Chris to guide us in this journey through the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:28:18] I'm going to cry.

[00:28:18] This is too this is too emotional and cute right now.

[00:28:21] I'm like really hating myself for not like being smart as a second grader

[00:28:26] and being like you got to fucking write a paranormal shit because later

[00:28:30] like 25 years from now you need to have a show.

[00:28:33] Like why didn't I plan that?

[00:28:34] This is such a full circle moment.

[00:28:36] You can start with your kid right now.

[00:28:38] You could say get writing a little kid.

[00:28:40] That's true. You're right. True.

[00:28:42] True. I'm sure you had a much better second grade experience than I did.

[00:28:46] In the early 90s, maybe it's changed, but I doubt it has.

[00:28:50] In the early 90s, you did not want to be the kid writing the book about ghosts

[00:28:56] and monsters and aliens and trying to tell everybody that it was real.

[00:29:01] Is that what happened to volume one?

[00:29:02] Some bully like threw it into traffic.

[00:29:05] No, I still have volume.

[00:29:06] OK, but it just doesn't have anything on the Bermuda Triangle in it.

[00:29:09] So sure. OK, it's not bragging now.

[00:29:13] Listen, Ed, I've sold volume one.

[00:29:15] The rights are gone.

[00:29:16] So I can't talk about it.

[00:29:18] I can't talk about it on the pod.

[00:29:20] Your mom bought it.

[00:29:21] Yeah, my mom bought it.

[00:29:23] She set up a shell company.

[00:29:24] Yeah, but she's a real name.

[00:29:26] It was Mom Calari LLC or something stupid.

[00:29:29] Great job, Chris LLC.

[00:29:33] My sweet boy LLC.

[00:29:38] So second grade Chris's chapter on the Bermuda Triangle starts like this.

[00:29:43] Chapter four, the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:29:45] It all started when Flight 19 disappeared on December 5th, 1945.

[00:29:50] Gone, poof, whoosh, zap, bang, zoop.

[00:29:56] There's so many on them on a piece.

[00:29:58] So many.

[00:29:59] Five US Navy torpedo bombers gone.

[00:30:02] Many more unexplained disappearances and strange happenings have been reported.

[00:30:07] Now, before I tell some stories about the Bermuda Triangle,

[00:30:11] you should know at least a little about the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:30:14] Here are some things you might want to know.

[00:30:16] That's a page turn for the audience.

[00:30:18] Yeah, the disappearance of Flight 19 is the most well known Bermuda Triangle

[00:30:23] disappearance, so second grade Chris, good job.

[00:30:26] You did get that right.

[00:30:27] I don't think their disappearance involved probably as many sound effects as

[00:30:31] I included, but I think I was trying.

[00:30:34] Zoop, zoop.

[00:30:34] I was trying to engage not one zoop on the day.

[00:30:38] I was trying to engage the theater of the mind, you know?

[00:30:41] So if you've ever heard about the Bermuda Triangle, it's probably because of Flight 19.

[00:30:46] If you haven't, you're not going to hear much else about it on this episode

[00:30:49] because astonishing legends did a insanely thorough deep dive as they always do

[00:30:54] that we would encourage you to go check out.

[00:30:56] We'll put a link in the show notes.

[00:30:58] They did it better than we will.

[00:30:59] So don't worry if you haven't heard that episode or if you haven't heard of

[00:31:04] Flight 19, you won't be missing much in the way of lore because Bermuda Triangle

[00:31:08] lore is nothing, if not inconsistent,

[00:31:11] partially because so many people who experience something strange never make

[00:31:15] it home to tell us about it.

[00:31:17] And I would also just like to point out that despite second grade Chris's

[00:31:20] claim that this quote all started in 1945, Flight 19 is far from the first

[00:31:26] disappearance in the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:31:29] In fact, I apparently knew this as a kid because the next page says here are the facts.

[00:31:35] There's only three of them.

[00:31:36] And one of them is in the eighteen hundreds four ships that were listed disappeared.

[00:31:43] So if ships were disappearing in the 1800s, the mystery clearly didn't start

[00:31:46] in 1945, I blame my editor for letting me contradict myself.

[00:31:52] The other two facts I apparently wanted people to know were that in the

[00:31:55] nineteen hundreds twenty seven listed ships disappeared in the triangle.

[00:32:00] I underlined and bolded listed because I guess I wanted to suggest maybe there were

[00:32:05] unlisted ships that disappeared.

[00:32:08] And then the most useful fact that I wrote here is the Bermuda Triangle is

[00:32:12] located between Bermuda, Puerto Rico and Florida.

[00:32:15] So good job second grade me.

[00:32:17] This is true, although as I have learned prepping this episode,

[00:32:21] different researchers place the boundaries slightly differently,

[00:32:26] usually to account for a case that they would like to include that maybe doesn't

[00:32:31] quite fit. And this has caused difficulties in Bermuda Triangle research because if

[00:32:36] you start changing the boundaries in the open ocean, the area you're talking

[00:32:41] about shifts by literally millions of square kilometers.

[00:32:44] So the standard arrangement of vertices on the Bermuda Triangle covers

[00:32:49] about one point three million square kilometers.

[00:32:52] But I've seen the area of the Bermuda Triangle cited at as high as three

[00:32:58] point nine million square kilometers, which is like a difference of three and a

[00:33:01] half million, which at that point just called the Atlantic Triangle or point

[00:33:06] a New Jersey or something like you're stretching at that point.

[00:33:10] Right. So the next page of Trubitt's

[00:33:12] Transcendence of Mysteries chapter four dives into the story of Bruce

[00:33:16] Gernon's trip through the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:33:19] What is that drawing you did? Is that a shark?

[00:33:21] This is a guy in a plane flying into a definitely not penis shaped cloud.

[00:33:28] Wow.

[00:33:30] That is definitely a it's half banana, half dick at best or at least I guess.

[00:33:35] It definitely seems strongly those things I just said.

[00:33:38] Look, if it's a cloud, it's a cloud, but that cloud is all shaft.

[00:33:43] To be fair, Bruce himself uses the phrase shaft in a little bit.

[00:33:48] Oh, shit. So stick around, listener.

[00:33:57] So this is the story of Bruce Gernon and his journey through the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:34:02] On December 4th, 1970, Bruce Gernon, Jr.

[00:34:05] and his dad were flying in Bruce's plane from an island in the Bahamas to

[00:34:10] then at an altitude of 10,500 feet, they saw a cigar shaped cloud.

[00:34:15] They had to go in it.

[00:34:17] When they were in it, they seemed to go around and around.

[00:34:20] Ahead, Brucey saw a blue sky.

[00:34:24] At least that's what they thought it was actually a greenish white haze.

[00:34:29] They were waitlist for a moment.

[00:34:30] Bruce said to his dad instruments are out.

[00:34:33] The compass is crazy.

[00:34:34] I can't contact with ground control.

[00:34:36] Suddenly Miami crackled over the radio.

[00:34:38] Bruce and his dad got through alive.

[00:34:40] But there are a few questions to be answered.

[00:34:43] Like how did they get over 200 miles and 45 minutes when it usually took 75 minutes?

[00:34:49] This is second grade Chris that posited this question.

[00:34:52] Yeah, well, I like the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:34:54] I don't know. You were very advanced.

[00:34:56] Yeah, not in the arts department.

[00:34:59] Like your writing skills were primo.

[00:35:01] Everything you drew was a dick at that time.

[00:35:03] I mean, Hawaii population one.

[00:35:06] That's cute.

[00:35:07] All others missing in Bermuda Triangle.

[00:35:09] This guy would be categorized as a racist character in 2024, but I didn't know better.

[00:35:17] I'm sorry.

[00:35:18] That's so cute.

[00:35:19] Hawaii population one, all others lost.

[00:35:21] That's very adorable.

[00:35:23] That's cute for you guys.

[00:35:24] I can't see there's like a little tiny island with one palm tree and there's

[00:35:28] a guy sitting on there with a Hawaiian shirt.

[00:35:30] And it says there's a sign that says Hawaii population one.

[00:35:34] All others missing due to Bermuda Triangle.

[00:35:37] That's very cute, which we have every reason to believe that guy made like he also

[00:35:42] just thought that was Hawaii.

[00:35:44] It's a lump of dirt in the ocean.

[00:35:46] It probably should have said Miami.

[00:35:48] Hawaii is on the other side.

[00:35:51] Yeah, that's true.

[00:35:52] Well, we don't know how the Bermuda Triangle works.

[00:35:55] Like that's the whole thing about it, right?

[00:35:57] So maybe it does shoot you out to Hawaii.

[00:35:59] That would be awesome.

[00:36:00] It could be a portal.

[00:36:01] Yeah, yeah.

[00:36:02] Second grade Chris is just counting portals.

[00:36:04] And as a former writer of Rick and Morty, I have to say that's not OK.

[00:36:07] Wow.

[00:36:09] I did not know we were among two celebrities.

[00:36:11] I know the author of Unsolved Mysteries Volume Two.

[00:36:14] What was the name of that book?

[00:36:16] And a former writer on Rick and Morty.

[00:36:19] Hey, that's fine.

[00:36:20] And that lives in Atlanta, home of adult swim.

[00:36:22] Yeah, that's true.

[00:36:23] So together we almost make a show.

[00:36:27] When I went back into the research on Bruce Gernon's story,

[00:36:31] it turns out I did get a couple of details wrong.

[00:36:34] There was a third person on the plane in addition to Bruce and his dad.

[00:36:37] He was a business partner of theirs who was flying with them to scope locations

[00:36:41] for a building project they were going to do.

[00:36:43] And Bruce didn't fly through just one cloud.

[00:36:46] He flew through two.

[00:36:47] The first cloud was smaller and then seemed to connect with a larger one.

[00:36:53] And there was also no green haze.

[00:36:54] I don't know where that came from, but there was a tunnel of clouds

[00:36:57] that wrapped the plane so tightly that Bruce says he saw his wingtip slicing

[00:37:02] through puffy white clouds on both sides of the plane.

[00:37:06] In his words from an interview in 2001,

[00:37:09] the break in the cloud now formed a perfect horizontal tunnel one mile wide

[00:37:14] and more than 10 miles long.

[00:37:16] We could see the clear blue sky on the other side.

[00:37:19] We saw that the tunnel was rapidly shrinking.

[00:37:21] I increased the engine RPM bringing our speed to the caution area of 230

[00:37:27] miles an hour when we entered the tunnel.

[00:37:29] Its diameter had narrowed to only 200 feet.

[00:37:32] I was amazed at what the what's that ed shaft now looked like.

[00:37:37] Why did you address me?

[00:37:38] It's they were the ones who are interested in shafts.

[00:37:40] Oh, that's true. Right.

[00:37:41] I'm only interested in elevator shafts, bro.

[00:37:43] That was I think said.

[00:37:44] Allie. Love a good shaft.

[00:37:47] They were amazed at what the shaft now look like.

[00:37:49] It appeared to be only a mile long instead.

[00:37:52] It's a mile long shaft instead of 10 plus as I had originally estimated.

[00:37:57] Light from the afternoon sun

[00:38:00] shown through the exit hole and made the silky white walls glow.

[00:38:05] The walls were perfectly round and slowly constricting.

[00:38:09] All around the edges were small puffs of clouds of a contrasting gray swirling

[00:38:13] counterclockwise around the airplane.

[00:38:16] We were in the tunnel for only 20 seconds before we emerged from the other end.

[00:38:20] For about five seconds, I had the strange feeling of weightlessness

[00:38:24] and an increased forward momentum.

[00:38:26] When I looked back, I gasped to see the tunnel walls collapse and form a slit

[00:38:31] that slowly rotated clockwise.

[00:38:33] This is a very sexual description.

[00:38:36] Now we're tunnels, slits perfectly round, milky white clouds,

[00:38:41] a slit and a shaft in close proximity.

[00:38:45] I mean, you're not wrong.

[00:38:46] And sometimes in our alien abduction episodes, Ed and I kind of dove a little

[00:38:51] deep on how much of some of these things people experience are just like weird

[00:38:57] subconscious projections of pent up sexual energies, because so many alien

[00:39:03] abduction stories are also very sexual.

[00:39:05] I agree with you.

[00:39:06] Like his description of this is wildly sexual.

[00:39:10] So is it like if you are not sexually satisfied, you're more likely to be

[00:39:17] abducted by aliens and or have a paranormal experience?

[00:39:20] I mean, I don't know if there's any research on that.

[00:39:22] I can text my exes if you want.

[00:39:26] You're like, yo, you see any bright lights?

[00:39:28] You do any time of the ship?

[00:39:30] I would say that like, I think particularly alien abductions and honestly,

[00:39:36] I do think somebody, probably a psychologist should do some research into that

[00:39:41] because so many alien abductions are very they're so body focused.

[00:39:45] They're so invasive.

[00:39:46] There's lots of stories of people who have had sex with aliens or have had,

[00:39:52] you know, their eggs pulled out, their sperm pulled out.

[00:39:54] It's always very reproductive focused kind of thing.

[00:39:58] And I don't know.

[00:40:00] I would I would be curious to know if there's a connection at all because,

[00:40:05] you know, just reading stories.

[00:40:07] Sometimes it does sort of seem like there is.

[00:40:10] But, you know, who am I to say?

[00:40:11] I don't know if this is relevant or not.

[00:40:13] But when I was in college, I took a class on fairy tales.

[00:40:19] And one of our projects was to look at the oldest version of fairy tales that were

[00:40:24] available and then come up with some.

[00:40:27] I don't remember exactly what it was.

[00:40:28] I don't know if we were assigned topics or what, but somehow I ended up having

[00:40:33] to write a paper on how the sexual repression of like the Puritan and Quaker

[00:40:41] movements in the US led to us having to also repress the old stories of the fairy

[00:40:48] tales and Disney fi them.

[00:40:49] But what that's actually turned into is this burgeoning porn scene where there's

[00:40:54] like now we're putting the sex back into the fairy tales and there's like a whole

[00:40:58] genre of fairy tale porn.

[00:41:01] And so I don't know, maybe some of the alien stuff could be sort of related

[00:41:05] to that, maybe if you come from a background that is sort of sexually

[00:41:09] repressed, you're more likely to have paranormal experiences that are sexual.

[00:41:14] I don't know. Interesting.

[00:41:16] All sounds plausible to me.

[00:41:17] There's a whole somebody actually ed emailed us or messaged us.

[00:41:21] Our buddy Kevin from Austin messaged us because there is a documentary called Love

[00:41:27] and Saucers, I think, or Love and Aliens, something like that about a guy who claims

[00:41:32] that he has been having sex with aliens for like decades and he's done hundreds

[00:41:37] of paintings of his encounters with these aliens.

[00:41:41] And he was like, you guys should do like a live stream watching this.

[00:41:44] And I was like, absolutely.

[00:41:46] That sounds awesome. I'll do it.

[00:41:47] I'm jealous. I've never even seen an alien, let alone seen an alien shaft.

[00:41:52] Me either.

[00:41:53] Feel free to join us in this live stream of this documentary.

[00:41:57] Unfortunately, on this episode, we're only talking cloud shafts,

[00:42:01] but aliens definitely are out there in shaft world as well.

[00:42:05] You hear that skinny Bob?

[00:42:07] Skinny Bob's got a fucking skinny Bob.

[00:42:09] Skinny Bob lays pipe, dude.

[00:42:11] Look, he not only has a thick neck, but we've heard tale of other areas.

[00:42:16] Isn't Bob like another nickname for Dick too?

[00:42:19] So his name is like skinny Dick. Shit, dude.

[00:42:22] That's Richard.

[00:42:23] But Robert is close to Richard.

[00:42:24] Oh, we don't know.

[00:42:25] We've got listeners from all over the world turns out and let us know if

[00:42:29] anybody where you're from, if fucking Bob's or Dick.

[00:42:32] Right. Yeah. Bob's your uncle.

[00:42:33] Bob's your uncle. The Canadians would say for sure.

[00:42:36] Anyone in the Commonwealth.

[00:42:37] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:42:37] So this spinning slit that slowly rotated

[00:42:41] clockwise and collapsed leads to Bruce introducing an idea that he has been

[00:42:47] researching and chasing ever since this incident occurred,

[00:42:51] something he calls electronic fog.

[00:42:55] So to quote him again, all of our

[00:42:57] electronic and magnetic navigational instruments were malfunctioning.

[00:43:01] The compass was slowly spinning, even as the airplane flew straight.

[00:43:05] I contacted Miami and told them we were about 45 miles

[00:43:09] southeast of Bimini heading east at 10,500 feet.

[00:43:13] The radar controller replied he was unable to identify us anywhere in that area.

[00:43:18] Something bizarre had happened.

[00:43:20] Instead of the blue sky we expected, everything was a dull grayish white haze.

[00:43:26] Visibility seemed like more than two miles, yet we could not see the ocean.

[00:43:31] The horizon or the sky.

[00:43:33] And just as a small aside here, this is something that Flight 19 also noted in

[00:43:38] their last transmissions.

[00:43:40] There's a famous exchange over the radio that one of the pilots said,

[00:43:44] we cannot be sure of any direction.

[00:43:47] Everything is wrong, strange.

[00:43:49] The ocean doesn't look as it should.

[00:43:51] Oh, I just got the chills.

[00:43:53] That is so creepy.

[00:43:54] Yeah. So back to Bruce, he says the air was very stable and there was no

[00:43:59] lightning or rain.

[00:44:00] I like to refer to this as an electronic fog because it seemed to be what was

[00:44:04] interfering with our instruments.

[00:44:06] I had to use my imagination to feel our way west, which I just I'm a creative

[00:44:12] person, I love creatives, but I hope to never be on a plane where the pilot

[00:44:15] is using his imagination to take me anywhere.

[00:44:17] Yeah.

[00:44:18] Pilots and doctors never use your imagination.

[00:44:21] Just stay right here.

[00:44:23] No creativity.

[00:44:25] Grounded in reality, please.

[00:44:27] Please.

[00:44:28] So he says we were in the electronic fog for three minutes when the controller

[00:44:32] radioed that he had identified an airplane directly over Miami Beach flying due

[00:44:36] west. I looked at my watch and saw that we had been flying for less than 34

[00:44:41] minutes. We could not yet have reached Miami Beach.

[00:44:44] We should have been approaching the Bermini Islands.

[00:44:47] Suddenly, the fog started breaking apart in a weird sort of electronic fashion.

[00:44:52] Long horizontal lines appeared in the fog on either side of us.

[00:44:56] The lines widened into slits about four or five miles long.

[00:45:00] We saw a blue sky through them.

[00:45:02] The slits continued expanding and joined together.

[00:45:05] Within eight seconds, all the slits had joined and the gray fog had disappeared.

[00:45:10] All I could see was brilliant blue sky as my pupils adjusted to the abrupt

[00:45:14] increase in brightness.

[00:45:15] Then I saw the barrier island of Miami Beach directly below.

[00:45:19] After we landed at Palm Beach, I realized the flight had taken a little

[00:45:22] less than 47 minutes.

[00:45:24] I thought something must have been wrong with the airplane's timer,

[00:45:27] yet all three of our watches showed that it was 3.48 PM.

[00:45:31] I had never made it from Andros, which is where they'd left from,

[00:45:35] to Palm Beach in less than 75 minutes, even on a direct route.

[00:45:40] Our course on this flight was indirect and probably covered close to 250 miles.

[00:45:46] How could the airplane travel 250 miles in 47 minutes?

[00:45:51] And that's the question Bruce has spent the rest of his life trying to answer.

[00:45:57] He believes that there is this unstudied atmospheric phenomenon that he's dubbed

[00:46:02] Electronic Fog, which two listeners of one of the last episodes and Ed,

[00:46:07] I think Electronic Fog sounds like a band that would tour with the hoseboys.

[00:46:11] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:12] But the hoseboys is a long story.

[00:46:15] Constant stupid inside joke.

[00:46:18] They should tour the hoseboys.

[00:46:19] Electronic Fog is different from Electric Fog, which is a very real and well

[00:46:25] known thing also called St. Elmo's Fire.

[00:46:28] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:29] Got a couple of St. Elmo's Fire fans here.

[00:46:32] Yeah, we know what that is.

[00:46:33] It's like ball lightning, right?

[00:46:36] Yes.

[00:46:36] It's green.

[00:46:37] Yes.

[00:46:38] Green, like weird reflective.

[00:46:41] Like there's videos on YouTube that pilots have taken of St.

[00:46:45] Elmo's Fire and it's like I just remember it looking totally green.

[00:46:48] Yes.

[00:46:48] It looks like the thing.

[00:46:50] I don't know if they still have these stores, but like if you go to like Spencer's

[00:46:54] gift store or something and there's like that little ball.

[00:46:57] Yeah.

[00:46:57] Has like a and you touch it and it makes like little like electrical tentacles go

[00:47:01] on your finger.

[00:47:02] I don't know what that thing is called, but it has like something to do with

[00:47:05] static electricity or something.

[00:47:07] Yes, yeah.

[00:47:08] It looks like right?

[00:47:09] Yes.

[00:47:10] Yeah, yeah.

[00:47:10] Perfect description.

[00:47:11] Exactly. Take that Amelia O'Vez.

[00:47:13] We're not talking about yours St.

[00:47:15] Elmo's Fire.

[00:47:17] So Electronic Fog is different from that.

[00:47:20] Bruce's version of Electronic Fog possesses strange, physical, almost supernatural

[00:47:26] properties and he thinks is responsible for the disappearance of ships and planes,

[00:47:31] not just in the Bermuda Triangle, but all over the world.

[00:47:34] His theory basically is that this atmospheric effect, whatever causes it,

[00:47:38] can create slips in time and space and he feels that it might be more

[00:47:43] common in the area of the Bermuda Triangle, but it's not bound by the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:47:48] So then where the Electric Fog and his words are based off of what he thinks it

[00:47:54] makes planes and things like that just go to a different time so they like no

[00:47:59] longer exist in this realm or what?

[00:48:01] Yeah, is it like a is it like a final countdown situation?

[00:48:04] So kind of.

[00:48:05] So Bruce has posted a whole series of YouTube videos about this.

[00:48:10] Oh, Bruce is still with us.

[00:48:11] Bruce is still with us.

[00:48:13] And I don't know what to make of him.

[00:48:17] He's been on over he claims he's been in over 60 television shows,

[00:48:21] documentaries, radio broadcasts about the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:48:24] He's published two books.

[00:48:26] He has a website, electronic fog dot com.

[00:48:29] Oh yeah, I did where he sells merch.

[00:48:32] So he has merch for Electronic Fog.

[00:48:35] He does. I got to look it up.

[00:48:36] And by the way, Nat and Ally, we will be sending you

[00:48:39] Electronic Fog merch as a thank you for coming on the show.

[00:48:43] One way all expenses paid ticket to the middle of the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:48:47] Yeah, hell yeah, dude.

[00:48:49] Next year maybe we'll be able to but this year we'll just have to send you shirts

[00:48:52] for Electronic Fog.

[00:48:53] Yeah, sure.

[00:48:54] Electronic Fog dot com.

[00:48:56] I'm looking it up.

[00:48:57] Wow, I think Natalia is looking it up.

[00:48:59] So I'm sure we'll get a debrief at some point.

[00:49:01] All this to say like he's a little vague on what exactly this

[00:49:05] Electronic Fog is and does other than it's some sort of phenomenon that, yes,

[00:49:11] can like it seems to be attracted to planes, ships, things with electronics.

[00:49:17] He says in one of the quotes he has about this cloud that he was flying into,

[00:49:22] he talks about how at one point it seemed like it was chasing him,

[00:49:25] like it was drawn to him.

[00:49:27] And he believes that yeah, when you go into this fog,

[00:49:30] it's sort of like scrambles reality, I guess, and can spit you out places where

[00:49:36] you shouldn't be in times that you shouldn't have been able to get there.

[00:49:39] That's creepy.

[00:49:40] Yo, this merch is kind of dope.

[00:49:42] This merch is hard.

[00:49:43] I'm not going to lie.

[00:49:44] Show a hold it up.

[00:49:45] OK, so Nat's saying the merch just goes hard.

[00:49:47] It's a white t-shirt and it just has a bunch of clouds on it on the front.

[00:49:52] And it says enter the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:49:56] And then on the back, it's got a plane going through

[00:50:00] like a time warp and it says travel through time.

[00:50:02] Shit, dude.

[00:50:03] Now what's the prices on that?

[00:50:05] Are you looking at in terms of monetary value?

[00:50:07] If it's anything over 20, you guys might be getting stickers.

[00:50:10] Size is medium to large or 1799 plus shipping.

[00:50:14] Just email us your sizes.

[00:50:15] You guys will both get.

[00:50:17] These are cool.

[00:50:18] Yeah, for sure.

[00:50:19] I like how they styled it too.

[00:50:21] Wow, it's dope.

[00:50:22] Bruce has drip.

[00:50:23] Dude, that's dope.

[00:50:24] It's fucking really fantastic.

[00:50:25] Where's the scared all the time merch?

[00:50:27] That's what that's what we want.

[00:50:29] We'll send you that too.

[00:50:30] It should be coming out the week after we record this.

[00:50:33] Oh, wow.

[00:50:33] Whoa, you can just call these people.

[00:50:35] It says call us today and I just pressed call and it's like, call this number?

[00:50:39] Like you can just call them live.

[00:50:41] On the show.

[00:50:42] I'm too awkward.

[00:50:43] You guys can see if you can call Bruce.

[00:50:45] I can't. I hate talking to people.

[00:50:47] I don't know.

[00:50:47] Oh, wait.

[00:50:49] Now the website automatically blocked me from starting a call.

[00:50:52] Well, we'll try later.

[00:50:54] Yeah, we'll try later.

[00:50:55] I drove through Roswell once and I was I stopped in this wine store

[00:50:58] and gave them a bottle of my family's wine and was like talking to.

[00:51:02] I'm sorry, what?

[00:51:03] What?

[00:51:03] You're just going to fucking cruise over your family as bottles of wine.

[00:51:06] Yeah, they immigrated from Italy and we've been making wine in the basement since

[00:51:10] I was a kid, they have the old.

[00:51:12] Oh, wow.

[00:51:12] That's cool.

[00:51:13] They have the old like wine, whatever.

[00:51:14] And they bought it.

[00:51:15] You make like prison wine in the toilet.

[00:51:17] Right. Yeah, you're giving them just like illegal wine.

[00:51:20] Hey, you want something with no FDA approval whatsoever?

[00:51:23] No, it's made from grapes.

[00:51:25] It's not made from like robitussin and applesauce or whatever.

[00:51:28] I feel like the Food and Drug Administration here in the States is like so

[00:51:31] regulated that like if you tried to sell like anything as a food product,

[00:51:36] they would be like absolutely fucking literally not.

[00:51:38] That's why you have to give it in some sort of Area 51 barter.

[00:51:40] Right.

[00:51:41] Really?

[00:51:42] My buddy and I were driving cross country and we'd spent quite we've been

[00:51:45] drinking in this wine shop.

[00:51:47] They were like giving us samples and they because it's super tiny.

[00:51:50] I don't know if you've been to Roswell, but it's a really tiny town

[00:51:53] and we were just hanging out there.

[00:51:55] And at some point since I was driving wine to LA, I was like, oh,

[00:51:58] I'll give this guy some of my family's wine since we've been drinking all of his.

[00:52:02] And I brought it in and he started to drink it.

[00:52:06] And he told me at one point he was like, this is making me sick.

[00:52:09] He just started his eyes turned red.

[00:52:12] No, he was like, he was like, you know,

[00:52:15] I know the guy who built the coffins for the aliens.

[00:52:19] What?

[00:52:20] For the bodies.

[00:52:22] And I was like, excuse me.

[00:52:24] And he was like, yeah, you know, this, you know, they say that they

[00:52:26] brought the little caskets out there and they put the bodies in and they took

[00:52:30] him out in the little caskets.

[00:52:32] And he was like, if you want, you can call him.

[00:52:34] And I was like, unprompted.

[00:52:36] Yeah, it was one of those moments where I was like, either this guy has got to be

[00:52:41] at this point pushing a hundred and is going to be like, who the fuck are you

[00:52:46] and why are you calling me?

[00:52:47] Who gave you this number?

[00:52:49] And like, we're here to call about reverse mortgages.

[00:52:52] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:52:53] And I ended up not calling him because I was like, he gave me the number and I

[00:52:56] never called because I just felt like I didn't want the illusion to be shattered.

[00:53:00] And I didn't want to end up on the phone talking to like a confused old man who

[00:53:04] was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:53:06] Yeah. So I get it.

[00:53:07] So Bruce Gerson.

[00:53:09] There was probably more to that story, but we don't want to keep anybody here

[00:53:12] any longer than we need to.

[00:53:13] But I do love it.

[00:53:14] She's like, oh yeah, Bruce Gerson in the middle of your crazy, let's call

[00:53:17] the fucking casket makers.

[00:53:20] Yeah. No, there were I had the number

[00:53:22] and I just didn't call it because I felt weird about it and I didn't want.

[00:53:26] I knew that if I called and it was just a guy who is confused and very old,

[00:53:30] that it would kind of sour me on the Roswell myth.

[00:53:33] Right. So it's just like, you're like me, you're too, too soft.

[00:53:37] Like I'm too soft.

[00:53:37] I'm like looking at that number and I'm like, if I call this person,

[00:53:40] it's like the middle of the night they're going to wake up and they're

[00:53:42] going to be like, what?

[00:53:43] And I'm like, I'm doing a podcast on this like time in your life that

[00:53:47] I'm sure is one of the lowest points of your life.

[00:53:49] Now you like have to make an entire thing out of it because it's like happened to

[00:53:54] you, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:53:56] So I was just like, fuck no, I'd rather just believe that this is true and never

[00:54:00] call this guy. But speaking of UFO mythology, Bruce, if you go watch these

[00:54:07] videos that he's posted on YouTube, he I don't know what to make of him

[00:54:11] because he doesn't have the charisma of a charlatan like a doctor,

[00:54:15] Stephen Greer or some of the other grifters in the UFO space.

[00:54:19] He's not like making endless promises or hosting live streams or saying the

[00:54:23] government is silencing him.

[00:54:24] He just kind of talks to the cadence of a Tim and Eric character about the

[00:54:28] time that he flew into a cloud and doesn't know what happened.

[00:54:32] I did I did find this very funny in the introduction to his book

[00:54:36] Beyond the Bermuda Triangle, he does let it slip that he might be

[00:54:40] a little bit gullible.

[00:54:41] He tells the reader in this book, I'll take you to meet physics professor

[00:54:47] David Paris, a former army meteorologist who believes my experience holds

[00:54:52] an important key to creating a warp drive that can take us to the stars.

[00:54:57] Amazingly, Paris is building such a ship in his garage.

[00:55:01] So so I don't know about his ability to determine fact from fiction,

[00:55:07] although to be fair, I looked it up and amazingly, David Paris is actually

[00:55:13] building a warp drive in his garage.

[00:55:15] I'm not sure it works, but he is a real guy who is an actual physicist

[00:55:20] who thinks that it works.

[00:55:21] So I don't know.

[00:55:22] Maybe I'm the dummy.

[00:55:23] I don't know. That's awesome.

[00:55:24] I trust him. I trust him.

[00:55:26] I want to go visit the warp drive.

[00:55:27] That's some like weird science stuff.

[00:55:30] You know, yeah, that's cool.

[00:55:31] That's like an 80s movie.

[00:55:33] Oh my God.

[00:55:33] I tried to make this warp drive and I got this babe.

[00:55:36] This babe came out that for the purposes of this PG 13 movie never hit on.

[00:55:42] Hell, yeah, Kelly LeBrock.

[00:55:44] She's so with us.

[00:55:45] I hope so. Kelly LeBrock.

[00:55:46] What's up? Hit us up.

[00:55:47] Got to be. Got to be.

[00:55:48] In any case, that takes us to the end of second grade Chris's chapter

[00:55:53] on the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:55:54] The last page reads, what would you do if you went through the Bermuda Triangle?

[00:55:59] In the back of this book, there's some pieces of paper that say Bermuda

[00:56:03] Triangle fill in sheet.

[00:56:05] Wow.

[00:56:05] In small printing, write what you would do.

[00:56:08] And on your next trip to Bermuda and then in very large capital bolded letters,

[00:56:13] it says, do not go through the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:56:17] So second grade Chris.

[00:56:20] That's cute.

[00:56:21] Second grade Chris is just looking out for everybody.

[00:56:23] I just want to give him a hug.

[00:56:27] Second grade Chris then packed up his second grade briefcase.

[00:56:31] Yes.

[00:56:31] Aida Lone again in the cafeteria.

[00:56:34] Yes. Well, Ed and I talked about how we both had our own X files.

[00:56:38] We did as kids.

[00:56:39] Yeah. And the difference was Ed kept his in a filing cabinet home.

[00:56:42] I brought mine to school in a briefcase.

[00:56:45] So so Ed had an easier time than I did because I was like, you guys want to know

[00:56:50] about what happened to this guy who got kidnapped by a big foot

[00:56:56] in second grade? They were like, no.

[00:56:58] They were like, we just want to trade gushers.

[00:57:00] Yeah, exactly.

[00:57:01] Play kick ball.

[00:57:03] That's what I that's the advice I gave Chris.

[00:57:11] So with that, we know that Bruce has his theory about electronic fog

[00:57:15] causing disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:57:17] But there are many other theories out there about what might be responsible

[00:57:21] for the dozens of ships and planes and potentially hundreds of humans' lives

[00:57:25] lost out there.

[00:57:27] So next I want to read from an article in popular mechanics called

[00:57:31] Seven Chilling Conspiracy Theories about the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:57:35] Before I read, do you guys have any guesses as to what these conspiracy theories might be?

[00:57:40] There's got to be aliens thrown in there, right?

[00:57:43] Correct.

[00:57:44] I don't know what like other conspiracy.

[00:57:46] Oh, maybe like a military.

[00:57:48] It's like a military thing, like a military portal.

[00:57:52] You would be correct. That would be a conspiracy.

[00:57:54] OK, I will spoil this.

[00:57:56] This article, I think, is confused about what conspiracies are.

[00:58:00] But the but the ideas are are interesting.

[00:58:04] Conspiracy number one, everyone's just lying like they're just totally miss the mark.

[00:58:08] Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:58:11] Conspiracy number one is Atlantis.

[00:58:14] Oh my god, you didn't let me answer.

[00:58:15] I was going to say Atlantis.

[00:58:16] Ah, fuck, I'm sorry.

[00:58:17] But I'm also pretty basic.

[00:58:19] I'm basic as a human.

[00:58:20] So I get it.

[00:58:21] It was the author of the best selling Bermuda Triangle book himself,

[00:58:25] Charles Burlitz, who came forward with the idea that the lost city of

[00:58:29] Atlantis was somehow responsible for the shipwrecks and plane crashes in the Bermuda

[00:58:33] triangle. Since then, others have piled on to this theory, arguing that technology

[00:58:38] developed by Atlanteans, including crystal energies, is still active on the

[00:58:44] sea floor, causing mechanical malfunctions in the boats and planes above.

[00:58:48] Popular mechanics notes that the biggest flaw in this theory is that

[00:58:52] Atlantis isn't real.

[00:58:56] So such a dick thing, right?

[00:58:59] Yeah, buzzkill.

[00:59:01] Also, unclear what the conspiracy there would be other than Atlantis maybe Israel

[00:59:07] and they're part of the conspiracy by saying it isn't right.

[00:59:11] Conspiracy number two, rogue waves.

[00:59:13] Again, not a conspiracy theory.

[00:59:16] That's literally that's 100 percent.

[00:59:18] That's just like the normie theory.

[00:59:21] That's just a theory.

[00:59:22] Yeah, that's just a weather phenomena.

[00:59:24] That's like yeah.

[00:59:25] From the article, this should be crazy.

[00:59:29] Popular mechanics says a rogue wave is an unusually large and unpredictable swell

[00:59:34] of water typically twice as tall as the waves around it.

[00:59:37] A few years ago, scientists at the University of South Hampton in England

[00:59:41] claim that the waters of the Bermuda triangle were especially ripe for

[00:59:44] rogue waves due to storms moving in from all sides.

[00:59:48] Some of the waves the researchers posited could reach 100 feet in height.

[00:59:53] While the scientists work garnered a ton of attention,

[00:59:56] it couldn't explain what would cause an airplane to crash in the Bermuda triangle.

[01:00:01] So the theory here being that this would take care of some of the boat

[01:00:04] disappearances. Yeah, but it wouldn't affect the planes.

[01:00:07] The wave was really tall.

[01:00:09] If the wave was really tall like in that one planet and

[01:00:14] what's that movie with Matthew McConaughey?

[01:00:16] Interstellar. Yeah.

[01:00:18] If it was like interstellar.

[01:00:19] I wonder which was based on science.

[01:00:21] So basically true.

[01:00:23] Just based on this article of seven conspiracies about the Bermuda triangle.

[01:00:27] I guess that's a good question.

[01:00:28] How tall could a wave in the middle of the ocean get without anyone knowing

[01:00:34] that it was that tall?

[01:00:35] Look how quickly you became second grade Chris again.

[01:00:39] Positing questions.

[01:00:40] I'm just wondering because you have a thousand foot wave that like no one

[01:00:44] because the ocean is fucking huge.

[01:00:46] So you could have a giant wave.

[01:00:49] Facts. Yeah.

[01:00:50] And if there was like, I don't know,

[01:00:52] hidden sandbars or something like that, the wave could crash and become smaller

[01:00:57] before it got to shore and became like a tsunami.

[01:00:59] So we would not even know.

[01:01:01] Right. I know Alissa's going to be like, well,

[01:01:02] there's sensors like all over the ocean because I've done an episode about it.

[01:01:05] And so I actually know that there's like sensors everywhere that we like

[01:01:08] monitor ocean activity.

[01:01:10] The crust of the glues.

[01:01:11] Well actually, Milady.

[01:01:12] No, I don't bring that down or sensor energy.

[01:01:16] You can still answer you, Milady.

[01:01:18] You can still fight.

[01:01:19] No, please.

[01:01:21] No, we just like to always say when we're being buzz kills,

[01:01:24] we just always say that we're wearing a fedora like, oh,

[01:01:27] let me put my door on real quick.

[01:01:29] Let me get into the body of a reddit moderator, which we both are.

[01:01:33] Ironically, moderate.

[01:01:35] Subreddit.

[01:01:36] So maybe it is on your own subreddit.

[01:01:39] Yeah, it's our own subreddit.

[01:01:40] Yeah. Oh, okay.

[01:01:41] Our own subreddit. We've been invited to others.

[01:01:43] Although I feel like Ali could also be the moderator of r slash pop punk.

[01:01:48] Yeah, truly.

[01:01:49] I have never met anybody that I could talk to about pop punk.

[01:01:53] So congratulations.

[01:01:54] You're now going to receive like a barrage of emails about drive through records.

[01:02:00] And you can block me.

[01:02:01] But yeah, yeah, I should.

[01:02:03] I should moderate r slash.

[01:02:05] Get in there.

[01:02:06] 2000s pop punk on this stream yard.

[01:02:08] The way I'm given stream yard is Nat and I are on one side.

[01:02:11] And so I've never felt like stream yard nailed it more.

[01:02:17] I know this is just like the dark side where like we have no like hobbies or

[01:02:22] like things to talk about at all.

[01:02:24] And then that's like, yeah, music.

[01:02:25] Let's like, yeah, continue this conversation.

[01:02:28] About that.

[01:02:29] Let's talk about how cool.

[01:02:31] I love Rick and Morty.

[01:02:33] OK, well, I would love to also send you a barrage of emails

[01:02:37] about shows that you probably don't care about anymore because feel free to look up

[01:02:42] my MDB and send as many as you want.

[01:02:44] So any questions as you want?

[01:02:45] Perfect. I'm for sure going to look at your IMDb's.

[01:02:48] Please do. Please do.

[01:02:49] Yeah, boy. Are they accurate?

[01:02:51] Mine's like super inaccurate.

[01:02:53] The only thing missing from my MDB right now is clone high.

[01:02:55] They'll like clone high reboot or whatever.

[01:02:57] But it's the only thing that's missing.

[01:02:58] But everything's accurate.

[01:02:59] Yeah, that's such a flex.

[01:03:00] No, I wasn't a flex.

[01:03:01] I was just trying to tell you.

[01:03:03] No, I know.

[01:03:04] I mean, it's like you're not flexing, but like it's a flex to have

[01:03:07] like a good IMDb.

[01:03:08] Like my I wish I could like, I don't know, like office space IMDb

[01:03:11] because my IMDb is so embarrassing.

[01:03:13] Like I just wanted to be gone.

[01:03:15] But there's a video that plays on my IMDb from like something I worked on

[01:03:20] in like high school that I have fucking signed up for IMDb pro.

[01:03:24] I have emailed IMDb.

[01:03:26] Try to get rid of it.

[01:03:27] Fucking please stop this weird student film.

[01:03:30] Yeah.

[01:03:30] From being the first thing people see about me.

[01:03:32] Yeah.

[01:03:32] And and the answer is always like that guy's got to take it down.

[01:03:36] I'm like, this is this sucks.

[01:03:37] I hate my life.

[01:03:38] Yeah.

[01:03:38] Mine are like things that I wick wasn't that are they're like not even real projects.

[01:03:42] It's like when you were just trying to like fill out your stuff.

[01:03:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:03:45] 19 years old.

[01:03:47] One of them's like Miss Broccolini or something.

[01:03:50] And it's like it's like someone's like laptop computer picture of like us

[01:03:55] with like broccoli in my teeth.

[01:03:57] Like I'm like, please, please take this down right now.

[01:04:01] Yeah.

[01:04:02] And I know exactly what short film you're talking about

[01:04:04] because I also have that stuck on my IMDb and I can't.

[01:04:10] It's probably a conspiracy to undermine us, you know,

[01:04:12] see what I did there provided a segue for you.

[01:04:14] Yes.

[01:04:15] Thank you, Ed.

[01:04:16] Conspiracy number three, magnetic forces.

[01:04:19] The conspiracy of magnets, I guess the Bermuda Triangle is one of two

[01:04:24] places on earth where a compass will point to true north instead of magnetic north.

[01:04:29] Well, true north is the fixed point where lines of longitude

[01:04:33] converge on a map.

[01:04:34] Magnetic north is constantly shifting.

[01:04:37] It's the point on earth's surface where its magnetic fields point directly downward.

[01:04:42] The difference between the two is called a declination and all trains,

[01:04:46] ship and airline pilots know to account for it when charting their course.

[01:04:50] So popular mechanics tells us the conspiracy theory that compass

[01:04:54] malfunctions are behind the Triangle's grizzly history is easily debunked.

[01:04:59] First of all, it assumes that many experienced pilots were simply

[01:05:03] unaware of magnetic declination.

[01:05:05] And second, it can't explain the many, many boats and planes

[01:05:08] that pass through the area without incident.

[01:05:10] I don't know. That one seems kind of real.

[01:05:12] Like it seems like it could do something, you know?

[01:05:15] Yeah, it could. It does seem like it could.

[01:05:17] People make fucking mistakes.

[01:05:18] Allie knows I cannot seem to like upload our podcast at the right time.

[01:05:24] Every single time we try to upload it, it's supposed to be at midnight

[01:05:29] twelve o'clock one PST and like sometimes I'm like, oh, I did it at like three

[01:05:34] a.m. PST because that's three hours ahead of you.

[01:05:37] And I'm on I'm on East Coast time.

[01:05:40] And then I'm like thinking about it.

[01:05:42] I'm like, that doesn't even fucking make sense because they're three hours

[01:05:44] behind so it's like still the wrong time makes no sense.

[01:05:48] And that's because of magnets.

[01:05:50] I'm just well, I'm just saying people get confused.

[01:05:52] People are tired.

[01:05:53] I'm sure if you're like going across the whole fucking ocean, you're tired, right?

[01:05:58] For sure. Yeah.

[01:05:59] And there's definitely more recordings or if not recordings,

[01:06:03] there's more evidence of people in planes or ships saying things about

[01:06:08] their compasses malfunctioning and far fewer of them saying things like

[01:06:12] I'm in the sky and there's a giant wave coming towards me.

[01:06:16] There's a giant shaft coming towards me.

[01:06:21] I'm going into the slit. Help.

[01:06:24] What conversion therapy ends with I'm going into the slits?

[01:06:29] Yeah.

[01:06:31] Conspiracy number four for whoever said aliens is aliens.

[01:06:36] No surprises here.

[01:06:37] It says where there are conspiracy theorists, there are usually UFOs.

[01:06:41] In this case, the story goes that aliens use the Bermuda Triangle

[01:06:45] as a portal to our planet.

[01:06:47] There they gather the people and technology they need to conduct their

[01:06:50] research on our species.

[01:06:52] This theory explains why many of the ships and planes

[01:06:55] that go down in the Bermuda Triangle are never recovered,

[01:06:58] which, Ed, I feel like we watched a movie once,

[01:07:02] a Schlock film about this, about an ocean

[01:07:06] and the Bermuda Triangle appearing on a spaceship.

[01:07:08] Do you remember this?

[01:07:09] I mean, if you're talking about the final countdown,

[01:07:11] I wouldn't necessarily call it Schlock, but I don't think I was talking about.

[01:07:14] There was a movie we watched on a spaceship.

[01:07:17] It was very low budget.

[01:07:18] It was the first movie that the guys who wrote the Conjuring ever wrote.

[01:07:22] Yeah.

[01:07:23] Oh, the one with George Clooney.

[01:07:24] I think that's the Solaris remake.

[01:07:27] No, not Solaris.

[01:07:29] I don't necessarily remember it.

[01:07:31] You know how I feel about the Conjuring people

[01:07:32] because I'm from the small town of Monroe, Connecticut,

[01:07:35] where the Warrens are from.

[01:07:36] So I would see them at the grocery store and stuff like my whole life.

[01:07:39] What's the scoop?

[01:07:40] And the scoop is one of them is dead.

[01:07:42] They're both dead now, actually.

[01:07:43] Are you happy that they're dead?

[01:07:44] Yeah. No, no, I don't.

[01:07:46] That'll tell me everything I need to know.

[01:07:47] The thing is like I took entering this space

[01:07:49] to learn that a lot of people think they're like charlatans and stuff.

[01:07:52] I didn't know they were just Ed and Lorraine Warren

[01:07:54] from like Big Y Grocers.

[01:07:57] Like, I don't know.

[01:07:57] They're just people I would see

[01:07:59] and then they would come to our high school or middle school

[01:08:01] every Halloween like bring Annabelle and stuff.

[01:08:04] What? It was super fun.

[01:08:05] That's so weird.

[01:08:06] Yeah. So I didn't think of them as anything other than this

[01:08:08] like sweet old couple who would bring like demonic recordings

[01:08:11] at Halloween every year to the to the like middle school or high school.

[01:08:15] Either they are evil because they're like trying to haunt

[01:08:18] a bunch of kids or they are charlatans.

[01:08:21] Well, no, they're probably the latter,

[01:08:22] but they did only bring they only brought Annabelle once

[01:08:25] when I was a kid, like every other time was just like recordings and stuff.

[01:08:28] But one year they definitely brought Annabelle

[01:08:30] to like Shelton High School or whatever. Wow.

[01:08:33] Well, I found The Dark Side of the Moon

[01:08:36] is a 1990 Directive Video Science Fiction Horror Film

[01:08:39] directed by DJ Webster from Screenplay by the brothers Chad and Kerry Hayes.

[01:08:44] And I was right.

[01:08:45] This is the plot according to Wikipedia.

[01:08:47] I didn't remember any of this.

[01:08:49] In the near future, a maintenance vehicle is orbiting the earth

[01:08:52] on a mission to repair nuclear arms satellites.

[01:08:55] Suddenly, the crew experiences a mysterious inexplicable power failure

[01:08:58] that cannot be accounted for.

[01:09:00] As the ship grows colder, they find themselves drifting towards the dark side of the moon.

[01:09:05] An old NASA shuttle, the discovery drifts towards them,

[01:09:08] although NASA has not been operating for 30 years,

[01:09:12] I guess in this future world.

[01:09:14] It's just space.

[01:09:15] Two of the crew members board the ship hoping to salvage parts

[01:09:18] to repair their ship, but instead they find a dead body.

[01:09:21] The mission records of the crew's own ship

[01:09:23] indicate that the shuttle they have found disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle

[01:09:28] many years before. This is a cool. Yeah.

[01:09:30] Those guys work.

[01:09:31] The area in space the shuttle is found in

[01:09:35] corresponds to the Earthbound Bermuda Triangle.

[01:09:39] Don't know how that works.

[01:09:39] The Earth rotates.

[01:09:41] So yeah, I don't know how that works, but the bunch of shit

[01:09:44] they fight the devil, whatever.

[01:09:47] Wow, this movie's got layers.

[01:09:49] Yeah, they fight the devil.

[01:09:50] Got it all. It's got it all.

[01:09:52] I don't know.

[01:09:53] I mean, look, Ed and I fight the devil every night before we go to bed.

[01:09:56] Yeah, get back to Bermuda Triangles.

[01:09:58] These ladies are very busy.

[01:10:00] All right, conspiracy number five.

[01:10:01] This one I actually think could explain a lot.

[01:10:04] Methane bubbles.

[01:10:05] Boring but real.

[01:10:07] In 2016, a group of researchers from the Arctic University

[01:10:10] of Norway announced that they had discovered massive half mile craters

[01:10:14] at the bottom of the Barents Sea off the coast of Norway.

[01:10:17] The craters they hypothesized were caused by an exsudent

[01:10:19] explosions of deep underwater deposits of methane.

[01:10:23] Lots of conspiracy theorists.

[01:10:25] Again, I don't it's methane.

[01:10:27] It's not a conspiracy, but they glommed on to the idea,

[01:10:30] arguing the phenomenon might be responsible for shipwrecks in the Bermuda Triangle.

[01:10:34] However, just a few months later, the researchers themselves burst that bubble

[01:10:38] as it were. Cute wink wink.

[01:10:41] We are not making any links to the Bermuda Triangle,

[01:10:44] they said in a 2016 statement published by the Center for Arctic Gas,

[01:10:48] Hydrate, Environment and Climate, a coalition of scientists that investigate

[01:10:53] Arctic marine geology.

[01:10:54] So fucking studs like cool, cool ladies and studs.

[01:10:58] Yeah, conspiracy six wormholes, which is basically just Bruce's story.

[01:11:02] He's literally mentioned by name here.

[01:11:04] It's just you fly through electronic fog,

[01:11:07] a.k.a. a wormhole and end up somewhere else.

[01:11:11] Conspiracy seven, water spouts.

[01:11:13] According to NASA, water spouts are spitting columns of moist air that form over warm water

[01:11:19] akin to a tornado in the ocean.

[01:11:21] Water spouts can feature wind speeds of up to 125 miles an hour

[01:11:25] because the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Florida is one of the most active

[01:11:28] areas in the world for this severe weather phenomenon.

[01:11:31] Some have posited they could be responsible for Bermuda Triangle disasters.

[01:11:35] While unproven, this theory may be the closest to the truth as the United States

[01:11:40] Coast Guard and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

[01:11:43] have both stated that any mishaps in the area were likely caused by bad

[01:11:47] weather and inexperienced navigators.

[01:11:49] At the same time, both agencies asserted there's nothing special

[01:11:53] about the Bermuda Triangle at all. Jesus, it's harsh.

[01:11:59] All those shirts they printed that was like Bermuda Triangle,

[01:12:02] most special plays they have to now throw away or give to poor countries.

[01:12:06] They say, yeah, like people who lost the Super Bowl.

[01:12:09] Yeah, they said the ocean has always been a mysterious place to humans.

[01:12:13] And when foul weather or poor navigation is involved, it can be a very deadly place.

[01:12:18] This is true all over the world.

[01:12:20] There is no evidence that mysterious

[01:12:22] disappearances occur with any greater frequency in the Bermuda Triangle

[01:12:25] than in any other large, well traveled area of the ocean.

[01:12:30] So. So there's that.

[01:12:31] There it is, the seven haters.

[01:12:33] Yeah, none of those conspiracies are very satisfying at all.

[01:12:37] But but they are all like I think some of them are interesting reasons

[01:12:42] that things could possibly go awry.

[01:12:45] But before we wrap up, I want to take a quick trip down one really

[01:12:48] interesting side street.

[01:12:50] I promised our co-producer, Tess Fifel,

[01:12:53] that we would share this astonishing, I think Bermuda Triangle fact.

[01:12:57] And it is this.

[01:12:58] Well, first let me ask how do we feel about eels?

[01:13:01] Slimy, bitey.

[01:13:02] Are you scared of them?

[01:13:04] Not scared of them?

[01:13:05] Like a moray eel?

[01:13:06] I've never really thought about them.

[01:13:08] Are they that's a good question.

[01:13:09] How do I feel about them?

[01:13:10] I don't know. They're kind of gross.

[01:13:13] I think they are delicious at a sushi place.

[01:13:14] Are they friends with Ursula from Little Mermaid?

[01:13:17] Are those eels? I think so.

[01:13:18] Yeah, no, those those eels from Ursula's thing.

[01:13:20] Those were kind of hard.

[01:13:21] Yeah, lots of men jetsome. Right.

[01:13:23] Yeah, those are gross, terrible, terrible eels.

[01:13:26] I don't want to fucking blast on the eel community,

[01:13:29] but there's some like bad eels.

[01:13:31] Yeah, well, I just when I think of eels,

[01:13:33] I guess I think of like a giant pool

[01:13:35] roiling with eels and that I would get submerged in it

[01:13:39] and be covered by like like squirming, living fish jello.

[01:13:43] It's your first thought on eels.

[01:13:45] There's so many of them.

[01:13:46] They electrocute you.

[01:13:47] I totally just forgot about that.

[01:13:48] But that's like one of the bad things about them

[01:13:50] is they like a literally electrocute you,

[01:13:51] which is kind of crazy because it's a fucking fish. Right.

[01:13:54] Yeah, well, some of them can.

[01:13:55] I think there's I don't know if they all can,

[01:13:57] but there is a species of electric eel.

[01:13:59] Do you think they're the like,

[01:14:01] they're like the tough guys in the eel prison?

[01:14:03] Yeah, because they have like a superpower.

[01:14:05] There's well, there's I mean,

[01:14:06] if you get electrocuted underwater,

[01:14:08] like how does that even work?

[01:14:09] Because isn't water like a conductor of electricity?

[01:14:12] So like if one eel electrocutes you,

[01:14:14] does like electrocute the whole ocean?

[01:14:16] You know what I mean?

[01:14:18] Good question with great power comes great responsibility.

[01:14:20] I never thought about that.

[01:14:21] That's true.

[01:14:22] The whole ocean, just so many cartoon

[01:14:25] Xs for eyes fish floating to the top.

[01:14:28] Yeah, like once a day being like, oh, that eel, he went off.

[01:14:31] Right. I imagine however much electric output

[01:14:34] eels are capable of probably dissipates pretty quickly

[01:14:38] and after a not very far distance.

[01:14:41] Dude, I hope no eels are listening.

[01:14:43] Yeah, you hear what they're saying about us?

[01:14:44] They're calling us pussies.

[01:14:46] Well, so I asked this to say, I didn't know this,

[01:14:50] but I guess for like literally centuries,

[01:14:52] scientists were stumped about where exactly eels come from.

[01:14:58] Aristotle, who listeners will remember as a man

[01:15:01] who had a theory that women have less teeth than men.

[01:15:04] Yeah, which super, super easy to find out the answer to that.

[01:15:08] Yeah, he clearly could have checked every day.

[01:15:11] He knew zero women.

[01:15:13] Yeah.

[01:15:14] Like I can't find a single woman to count their teeth.

[01:15:17] For all of my book reading, I just the one thing

[01:15:21] I can't learn from a book is how to talk to girls.

[01:15:23] Right. Yeah, basically.

[01:15:24] Although if all you're doing is walking around

[01:15:26] and asking girls to open their mouths so you can count their teeth,

[01:15:29] I could see how that maybe is.

[01:15:31] And that might go sideways.

[01:15:33] We call that in the business of red flag.

[01:15:34] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:15:36] But Aristotle pondered this question,

[01:15:38] where do eels come from?

[01:15:39] And he came to the conclusion

[01:15:41] that they were born spontaneously from the mud.

[01:15:43] So fucking idiot.

[01:15:46] Yeah.

[01:15:47] People really didn't know.

[01:15:49] Eventually we figured out that they do come from the sea.

[01:15:53] They arrive at the coast as tiny, fragile,

[01:15:56] transparent little glass eels.

[01:15:58] Then they adapt to freshwater and mature in rivers

[01:16:01] where they grow up to a meter long

[01:16:03] until they're ready to swim all the way back

[01:16:05] to where they mate and die.

[01:16:07] Oh, wow.

[01:16:07] But no one knew where they made it and died.

[01:16:10] Until a few years ago when scientists finally were able

[01:16:13] to track a population back to the Sargasso Sea,

[01:16:17] which is in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle,

[01:16:20] which means that eels or at least three major species of eel

[01:16:24] come from the Bermuda Triangle.

[01:16:26] Oh, wow.

[01:16:28] Which I think is crazy.

[01:16:29] That makes sense.

[01:16:30] So they are responsible for the disappearance

[01:16:33] of all of the different aircraft and boats

[01:16:37] that have gone missing.

[01:16:38] This is eel havoc, dude.

[01:16:39] Eels are aliens confirmed.

[01:16:41] The answer could be aliens.

[01:16:44] They're aliens.

[01:16:45] Yeah.

[01:16:46] Eels are long, right?

[01:16:47] They're like long skinny boys, right?

[01:16:50] So they're like, that's a javelin shape.

[01:16:52] So people are aliens are zipping up hitting planes.

[01:16:56] Aliens, they can wrap around things.

[01:16:58] They can grab your propeller.

[01:17:00] They're electric.

[01:17:01] They also only live to fuck for a minute and die.

[01:17:04] So it's like, there's got to be some eels

[01:17:06] that nobody wants.

[01:17:07] They're just going to get up to no good.

[01:17:09] I'm not saying this is a great theory.

[01:17:11] Wow.

[01:17:11] I'm on board.

[01:17:12] Hey, it's as good as water spouts or methane bubbles.

[01:17:16] So I feel like.

[01:17:18] Yeah, those ones suck.

[01:17:18] I mean, why do we know now where they come from?

[01:17:22] But we don't really know why.

[01:17:23] There has to be something special about the Bermuda Triangle

[01:17:25] if that's where they are deciding to go.

[01:17:29] There's something about it, the vibes there.

[01:17:31] Yeah, why is this such an eel nightclub?

[01:17:33] Yeah.

[01:17:33] Well, the only other thing I know about the Sargasso Sea,

[01:17:37] which is in or partially in the Bermuda Triangle,

[01:17:40] is that it was a place of legend and lore for sailors

[01:17:44] because for some reason, and I'm not

[01:17:45] going to be able to remember why off the top of my head.

[01:17:48] But it's a place where there are large, not bales,

[01:17:52] but swaths of seaweed and stuff that will just

[01:17:56] grow for miles in the ocean.

[01:17:58] And it used to be a place where sailors and stuff would be like,

[01:18:01] oh, monsters live there because they'd

[01:18:02] see these large shapes in the water.

[01:18:06] And so I don't know if maybe that has something to do with it.

[01:18:08] Like the eels like the seaweed floating everywhere?

[01:18:11] The shapes?

[01:18:12] Yeah, I don't know.

[01:18:13] They're like, they're really rubbing up against their eel

[01:18:15] bods.

[01:18:15] Yeah.

[01:18:16] Good ambiance.

[01:18:18] Eels being responsible for all of the disappearances

[01:18:21] in the Bermuda Triangle is a bit of a stretch.

[01:18:23] But here come the eel emails.

[01:18:25] Never fucking ends.

[01:18:26] The eel males.

[01:18:27] Yeah, eel males.

[01:18:28] Fucking eel males, dude.

[01:18:30] We probably could convince Aristotle that that's the case.

[01:18:34] So all right, so we got to let these two go.

[01:18:38] But before we do, we have to hit the fear tier.

[01:18:42] So each episode ends with Ed and I

[01:18:45] placing the fear of the week on the fear

[01:18:48] tier, which goes from zero to 10, 10 being

[01:18:53] the thing that Ed is most afraid of in this world.

[01:18:56] It changed this season.

[01:18:57] Well, it used to be having a bucket of hot piss

[01:19:00] and shit dumped on his head by a stranger.

[01:19:02] Yeah.

[01:19:02] Oh, like that lady in Hollywood?

[01:19:04] Yes, thank you.

[01:19:05] I bring that up.

[01:19:06] Actually, I've made people watch that before where she's

[01:19:09] like, yeah, I had to go to the doctors.

[01:19:11] It was like so traumatic for her

[01:19:12] because she didn't know what kind of disease

[01:19:14] she was going to get.

[01:19:15] It was like really, she had hot diarrhea, dumped on her.

[01:19:18] I am so fucking pumped.

[01:19:20] Thank God you're on my side of the StreamYard boxes

[01:19:23] because I am so pumped.

[01:19:26] This is going to be this episode is

[01:19:28] going to be the season finale of season two

[01:19:30] and two season finales in a row we've

[01:19:32] had a guest on who's fucking knew what I'm talking about.

[01:19:35] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:19:36] No, I knew exactly what you're talking about.

[01:19:38] The only two people who knew what he was talking about.

[01:19:41] Yeah, I have no clue.

[01:19:42] That's funny.

[01:19:43] That's why you're on that side of the StreamYard.

[01:19:45] I'm sorry.

[01:19:46] We didn't fucking have like fucking yellow card

[01:19:49] or whatever stuff on this side of the.

[01:19:51] Yeah, they're over there on Ocean Avenue

[01:19:53] and we're talking about shit buckets over here.

[01:19:57] Oh, dear.

[01:19:57] To each their own.

[01:19:59] To each their own.

[01:20:00] But so we have to place the Bermuda triangle

[01:20:05] on the fear tier.

[01:20:06] So where roughly where do you think

[01:20:10] that you guys would place the Bermuda triangle

[01:20:12] on your personal fear tiers?

[01:20:14] You're saying traveling through for them

[01:20:15] or just like the its existence?

[01:20:17] Let's say traveling through.

[01:20:19] OK.

[01:20:19] Oh, well I would rather get hot piss and shit.

[01:20:23] I know that wasn't the question.

[01:20:25] I know that you said that this is what you used to do.

[01:20:27] Wow, you've never felt more on that side of the screen

[01:20:30] than right now.

[01:20:31] Yeah.

[01:20:33] I would rather get hot piss and shit

[01:20:36] dumped on me than be sucked into a shaft cloud

[01:20:40] never to be seen again.

[01:20:42] Now if I knew I was going to go through whatever

[01:20:44] shenanigans are going on in the Bermuda triangle

[01:20:47] and survive, then obviously I would rather do that

[01:20:50] because I do want to know all of the world's secrets.

[01:20:53] But if it's not sure whether or not

[01:20:55] I'm going to live to tell the tale,

[01:20:57] then I'd rather have a bucket of pee on me.

[01:20:59] OK.

[01:21:00] OK, so this is pretty high on the fear tier then.

[01:21:03] I hate airplanes.

[01:21:04] I cannot stress this on that.

[01:21:05] She does hate airplanes.

[01:21:07] I have to take, I have to be like tranquilized

[01:21:09] to get on an airplane.

[01:21:10] I hate them.

[01:21:11] Chris is a fellow like 3000 Xanax later.

[01:21:14] He arrives in Boston.

[01:21:15] Oh, really?

[01:21:16] Relatable.

[01:21:17] That is so funny.

[01:21:18] Yeah, I have to disagree with Ali because like I think

[01:21:21] the piss and shit bucket is really, really bad for me

[01:21:26] because not only do you have the experience

[01:21:28] which is fucking awful, you have to also live

[01:21:31] with the fact that everyone knows it happened to you,

[01:21:35] which I think is almost more humiliating

[01:21:38] than it happening to you.

[01:21:40] You know?

[01:21:40] It's like if you shit your pants at school or something

[01:21:43] and then everybody knows it's way worse

[01:21:45] than just having shot your pants at school.

[01:21:48] Right, oh my gosh.

[01:21:49] People remember that kind of stuff.

[01:21:51] People remember like, oh yeah, that's so and so.

[01:21:54] Yeah, like just it's not worth it.

[01:21:56] It's not worth it to be associated

[01:21:58] with a bucket of piss and shit for the rest of your life.

[01:22:01] Like what kind of life is that going to be?

[01:22:03] Unless you can monetize it in some way.

[01:22:06] You right?

[01:22:07] Like have a shirt that's like fly through the shit

[01:22:09] and piss bucket all in one time.

[01:22:11] I got a hot bucket of piss and shit thrown.

[01:22:13] I mean, all I got was this stupid t-shirt.

[01:22:15] Yeah.

[01:22:16] I don't think it's worth it because if you go

[01:22:18] through the Bermuda Triangle, if you come

[01:22:21] up the other side, that's dope.

[01:22:23] Wow, did you know that person went

[01:22:24] through the Bermuda Triangle or that person got lost

[01:22:26] in the Bermuda Triangle?

[01:22:27] There's no negative connotation with it.

[01:22:29] Like we're all like Amelia Earhart.

[01:22:31] True.

[01:22:31] You know?

[01:22:32] That sucks.

[01:22:33] Like we're not like she got lost

[01:22:35] in the Bermuda Triangle.

[01:22:36] Yeah, it's true.

[01:22:37] If Amelia Earhart was successful in her whatever

[01:22:40] crossing she was doing and then had a shit and piss

[01:22:43] thrown on her, we would never talk about her incredible feet.

[01:22:46] So it overshadowed.

[01:22:46] We'd be like, oh, that's that pilot that got shit

[01:22:49] and piss thrown on her.

[01:22:50] She flew the whole way across the world

[01:22:52] to get a bucket of piss and shit dumped on her head.

[01:22:54] Yeah.

[01:22:54] It's like that Dave Matthews thing.

[01:22:56] Like now anyone with the Dave Pass?

[01:22:57] Oh, are they dumped at the bus?

[01:22:59] Yeah.

[01:22:59] Were the bus dumped as shit?

[01:23:00] Yeah.

[01:23:01] Now anytime brings up Dave Matthews,

[01:23:03] I always just think of this.

[01:23:05] The story I saw on Reddit where Dave Matthews emptied their tour

[01:23:08] bus like septic tank on people who were in a boat on a bridge

[01:23:13] underneath them.

[01:23:14] Yes.

[01:23:15] And now that's all I think about when

[01:23:17] I think of Dave Matthews.

[01:23:18] Until very recently, probably the most horrible bridge

[01:23:21] accident we've had.

[01:23:23] Right.

[01:23:24] Yeah.

[01:23:25] RIP got us.

[01:23:26] Here's a conspiracy theory that I did not

[01:23:28] see popular mechanics talk about.

[01:23:30] Please.

[01:23:31] All right.

[01:23:31] Amelia Earhart disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle.

[01:23:35] What if she is an eel rejoining her eel family

[01:23:38] and her real name is Amelia Eelhart?

[01:23:40] Whoa.

[01:23:41] Oh, shit.

[01:23:42] Well, I thought you were going to say Emilia.

[01:23:44] Yeah.

[01:23:44] I was just going to say Amelia.

[01:23:46] Emilia.

[01:23:48] Emilia Eelhart.

[01:23:51] Dude, could you imagine it's like if someone finds her now

[01:23:54] and then they're like, you didn't know her name was

[01:23:57] Emilia Eelhart.

[01:23:59] And like this is just like how did you not see this?

[01:24:01] She made it plain as day.

[01:24:02] Right.

[01:24:03] Emilia Earhart sounds like what she would

[01:24:05] be if she was making a cameo in like a DreamWorks animation

[01:24:09] movie.

[01:24:09] Yeah.

[01:24:10] Maybe she was.

[01:24:11] We don't know what she was doing out there.

[01:24:13] True.

[01:24:13] True.

[01:24:13] Featuring Draft, the navigator, and Emilia Eelhart.

[01:24:17] Yeah.

[01:24:18] Jerry Draft.

[01:24:20] So I guess, yeah, I'm going to put this one at like,

[01:24:22] I don't know, Bermuda Triangle.

[01:24:24] Like a.

[01:24:25] Eight buckets of shit?

[01:24:26] Four.

[01:24:27] Four.

[01:24:27] So kind of.

[01:24:27] Four buckets of shit.

[01:24:29] A four out of 10.

[01:24:30] OK.

[01:24:30] Four out of 10.

[01:24:31] That sounds right.

[01:24:32] That sounds right.

[01:24:32] The buckets of shit is a 10.

[01:24:34] I can't think of something worse.

[01:24:35] That's a 10.

[01:24:36] Right.

[01:24:36] It goes hard.

[01:24:37] It goes to 11 maybe.

[01:24:38] Yeah.

[01:24:38] It's just that has never happened to me.

[01:24:40] But when I saw that video of that woman in Hollywood

[01:24:43] talking about that, I could like smell it.

[01:24:45] Like through the screen.

[01:24:47] You know what I mean?

[01:24:47] It's just.

[01:24:48] Yeah.

[01:24:48] Yeah.

[01:24:49] Because you put yourself in that position.

[01:24:50] You're like, I've crossed that street.

[01:24:52] I've walked here.

[01:24:53] Right.

[01:24:53] I thought my day wasn't going to end this way.

[01:24:55] It feels too real.

[01:24:56] Like now there's like real concern

[01:24:59] for being around the public.

[01:25:01] Shit.

[01:25:01] Like this could happen to you.

[01:25:02] True.

[01:25:03] Could happen to anyone.

[01:25:03] Well, I love it.

[01:25:04] I love it.

[01:25:05] Chris, where do you place this?

[01:25:07] I would place it fairly low simply because.

[01:25:10] Second grade Chris thought it was pretty high.

[01:25:12] I mean he wrote a book about it.

[01:25:13] Well, second grade Chris didn't know where Bermuda was.

[01:25:16] I think he thought it was maybe a little bit closer

[01:25:18] to Pennsylvania.

[01:25:21] I think he thought it was maybe a more accessible place

[01:25:25] and that he might have to go through it someday.

[01:25:28] But I feel like I pretty much have no reason

[01:25:31] to pass through the Bermuda Triangle.

[01:25:33] So I guess I'd put it pretty low.

[01:25:34] I'd put it kind of like a two or three.

[01:25:36] If I were faced with going through the Bermuda Triangle,

[01:25:39] I would immediately become a little bit more concerned.

[01:25:42] I would probably try to go around it.

[01:25:44] Well, here's a question for you is because I don't know.

[01:25:46] If you were to fly to Bermuda,

[01:25:48] do you always have to fly to the Bermuda Triangle?

[01:25:50] Is there another way to Bermuda

[01:25:52] that's not going through the Triangle?

[01:25:53] I don't know.

[01:25:54] I mean, yes.

[01:25:55] I mean, you fly around it,

[01:25:56] but I don't know by like modern airline routes

[01:26:00] who crosses through it and who doesn't to get to wherever.

[01:26:02] Like, is it just like basically

[01:26:04] if you're flying from New York to Bermuda,

[01:26:05] you're fucking always going through it then?

[01:26:07] Right. Probably.

[01:26:08] Probably, yeah.

[01:26:09] I would assume.

[01:26:10] Ladies and gentlemen, if you look out your left,

[01:26:11] you'll see that we're...

[01:26:13] That's a huge eel.

[01:26:15] You'll see Amelia Eale Hart.

[01:26:17] Yeah.

[01:26:18] There's a shaft.

[01:26:19] If you look out to you,

[01:26:19] if you look to your left, it's an eel.

[01:26:20] If you look to your right, it's a shaft.

[01:26:22] Right.

[01:26:23] If you're sitting where we're sitting

[01:26:24] and you look directly ahead,

[01:26:25] it's just slits for days.

[01:26:26] Yeah.

[01:26:30] And Ed, what about you?

[01:26:31] Where does the Bermuda Triangle fall?

[01:26:33] Fuckin...

[01:26:34] I don't have it that high.

[01:26:35] I'm living that this side of the screen,

[01:26:38] Nat Life.

[01:26:38] Yeah.

[01:26:39] I'm going to go ahead and say, yeah,

[01:26:41] four or five out of 10,

[01:26:43] because as you know, it's like when I get on a plane,

[01:26:45] I just kind of hand my fucking life over to the pilot.

[01:26:48] That's kind of, I'm fine with that.

[01:26:50] And I'm not an island person,

[01:26:52] so I don't think I'd be going.

[01:26:53] But no, I guess I wouldn't.

[01:26:54] I guess I would put it at the exact same level

[01:26:56] as air travel, because it's like, it's out of my hands.

[01:26:58] Yeah.

[01:26:59] But yeah, I guess I'm right in the middle,

[01:27:00] right in the middle, right in the middle.

[01:27:01] We've had some stuff that I think superseded

[01:27:03] the hot piss and shit this season,

[01:27:05] but amazingly, it didn't think we'd ever get here.

[01:27:09] Don't let all the emails, people being like,

[01:27:10] that's gross, don't let that be the top.

[01:27:12] I mean...

[01:27:13] That didn't sway me, other stuff swayed me.

[01:27:14] Getting your face broken by a decapitated kid's head

[01:27:18] flying back at you on a water slide

[01:27:21] is pretty high now.

[01:27:22] Did that happen to someone?

[01:27:23] Yeah.

[01:27:24] Yeah, the music park episodes that happened to two people.

[01:27:27] Yeah.

[01:27:28] Who were sitting behind the kid who got decapitated, yeah.

[01:27:30] Yeah, they got their faces.

[01:27:31] It was basically like Fabio, but instead of a bird,

[01:27:33] it was a child's head.

[01:27:35] Yeah, it was a child's head.

[01:27:36] I should have laughed about that.

[01:27:38] Aw, that's sad.

[01:27:39] I saw Fabio at an Italian restaurant in the valley once.

[01:27:43] What?

[01:27:44] Oh wow.

[01:27:45] Yep.

[01:27:46] And you want to know who he was on a date with?

[01:27:46] I'm about to blow up his spot.

[01:27:48] You want to know who he was on a date with?

[01:27:49] Yes, please.

[01:27:50] Desperate to know.

[01:27:50] Who?

[01:27:51] Trisha Pateis.

[01:27:52] Oh!

[01:27:53] Yeah.

[01:27:54] Good job, Trisha.

[01:27:55] She landed Fabio?

[01:27:57] Are you serious?

[01:27:58] Yeah.

[01:27:59] This would have been maybe 2018.

[01:28:00] This is post bird strike Fabio, but yeah.

[01:28:03] But he's still a handsome gentleman.

[01:28:04] Oh yeah, I mean, I could tell who he was.

[01:28:06] Yeah, it's all like.

[01:28:07] He's got Riz, you know?

[01:28:09] For days.

[01:28:10] He's like a horse was a man, so I feel like.

[01:28:13] It's true.

[01:28:14] Yeah.

[01:28:15] So you're saying by virtue of a horse turning in through,

[01:28:17] I don't know, through a spell or something, into a man,

[01:28:21] you're saying that really horses have Riz,

[01:28:23] is what you're getting at.

[01:28:24] I love horse, I'm a horse girl.

[01:28:25] I love horses.

[01:28:27] It's embarrassing for other people, but not me.

[01:28:29] I like horses.

[01:28:30] They're magnetism?

[01:28:31] Yeah.

[01:28:32] They're just like cool.

[01:28:33] I don't know how to explain it.

[01:28:34] It's magical.

[01:28:35] It's like you're riding, like okay imagine if your car

[01:28:39] could also be your friend and your partner.

[01:28:42] You know?

[01:28:43] It's cool.

[01:28:44] It's really cool.

[01:28:45] But yeah, so Fabio's always reminded me.

[01:28:47] Like he has like.

[01:28:48] What is dope?

[01:28:49] He reminds me of like a Phrygian horse,

[01:28:51] which is like the certain type of horse.

[01:28:52] Sure.

[01:28:53] Comment and if you understand what I'm talking about guys.

[01:28:55] Yeah please write in if you think,

[01:28:57] if you think like right in with how much you're willing

[01:28:59] to spend at like a spend an hour with a horse auction.

[01:29:03] Oh.

[01:29:04] Like we're gonna turn a horse into a man for two hours.

[01:29:07] Like what are you willing to spend on that?

[01:29:09] That's a head scratcher.

[01:29:10] Yeah.

[01:29:11] I just like what, what were Trisha and Fabio

[01:29:13] talking about?

[01:29:14] Like what do they have in common?

[01:29:15] Alfredo.

[01:29:16] Look, I can't believe I've never brought this up

[01:29:18] on our show before.

[01:29:19] Yeah.

[01:29:20] Dude, hurt it here first.

[01:29:21] Exclusive.

[01:29:22] Yeah it's an exclusive.

[01:29:23] It's exclusive.

[01:29:24] I'm not lying.

[01:29:25] It's a fact.

[01:29:26] There are witnesses that I could bring on the show

[01:29:29] if we needed to.

[01:29:30] I can have my father come.

[01:29:32] I can have my father come.

[01:29:33] Your dad was there?

[01:29:35] Yes.

[01:29:36] I was out to dinner with my dad and brother.

[01:29:38] How do you know it was a date and it wasn't business?

[01:29:40] Like I could totally see one of them using the other

[01:29:43] in like a music video.

[01:29:44] Well no, not Fabio.

[01:29:45] I could see Trisha using Fabio in like a music video.

[01:29:47] He was in a music video with her so that is a good.

[01:29:50] Bro.

[01:29:50] Cause I looked it up afterwards but the music video,

[01:29:52] yeah it had already come out by the point

[01:29:54] that I saw them at dinner.

[01:29:55] What was Trisha wearing?

[01:29:56] I need to know.

[01:29:57] Oh, I don't remember.

[01:29:58] Nothing.

[01:29:59] God.

[01:30:01] Nothing.

[01:30:01] Yeah and that's how I knew it wasn't just business.

[01:30:05] Do you remember if they were eating one long piece

[01:30:07] of noodle together until they get?

[01:30:10] Oh yeah, that's how you know they're on a date.

[01:30:13] That's a classic date.

[01:30:14] I usually do that probably their date.

[01:30:16] So it's like does that, obviously don't.

[01:30:19] I obviously don't.

[01:30:19] I don't remember them having any food.

[01:30:22] It was like the restaurant was closing

[01:30:24] and they came in and sat down in a corner by themselves

[01:30:28] and like the restaurant is like clearing out

[01:30:30] so the people that owned the restaurant

[01:30:31] were keeping it open just for them

[01:30:33] because we were paying our tab.

[01:30:35] Of course.

[01:30:36] Yeah.

[01:30:36] I would open a restaurant for that.

[01:30:38] Honestly, as a person who's worked in a diner

[01:30:40] I'm like fuck this story.

[01:30:42] I'm like we all thought we were going home

[01:30:43] in the back here.

[01:30:45] This is a nightmare.

[01:30:46] Here comes fucking Fabio and Trisha Payness.

[01:30:48] Now we gotta bring them out like a fucking kissing garlic

[01:30:51] bread or whatever where they can eat it together.

[01:30:54] We have to bring out the longest noodle.

[01:30:57] Yeah, what do we got?

[01:30:58] What do we got in the noodle department right now?

[01:31:00] Is it long enough?

[01:31:01] Actually fucking make it short.

[01:31:02] We don't want to be here all night.

[01:31:03] Let's just get a short noodle piece too.

[01:31:06] All right everybody, this has been a very fun.

[01:31:08] This has been a great episode.

[01:31:09] We'll have to do this again sometime.

[01:31:11] Yes, that was fun.

[01:31:12] Thank you for having us on.

[01:31:13] Of course.

[01:31:14] Thank you for doing it.

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