So join us as we go through a bunch of listener-submitted stories chronicling their potential run-ins with the man himself.
[00:00:00] Astonishing Legends Network
[00:00:04] Disclaimer, this episode includes the usual amount of adult language and graphic discussions you've come to expect around here.
[00:00:10] But in the event it becomes an unusual amount, expect another call from me.
[00:00:15] Hey guys, I'm Chris Killari.
[00:00:17] And I'm Ed Vecola.
[00:00:18] And welcome back to our anniversary email, Replyaganza.
[00:00:22] We're taking a break from answering the deluge of regular emails this episode
[00:00:26] to answer emails about one very specific topic, our very first episode, Hat Man.
[00:00:33] What are we?
[00:00:34] Scared.
[00:00:35] When are we?
[00:00:36] All the time.
[00:00:37] Join us.
[00:00:38] Join us.
[00:00:39] Join us.
[00:00:40] Now it is time for...
[00:00:41] Time for...
[00:00:43] Scared All The Time.
[00:00:45] We receive more emails about this episode than anything else we've covered,
[00:00:49] so we thought it would be good to split this episode out into its own reply episode
[00:00:54] where we can talk just about Hat Man and the crazy emails that you guys sent.
[00:00:59] So without further ado, here's the first email we have for our Hat Man episode.
[00:01:06] My Hat Man Encounter from Joseph Shipp.
[00:01:09] Hey guys, just finished listening to the Hat Man episode
[00:01:12] and I felt compelled to reach out and share with you my Hat Man Encounter.
[00:01:15] I wrote all this down a few years ago and apologies in advance.
[00:01:18] It's long.
[00:01:20] TLDR, I saw the Hat Man around 1998 when I was a teenager.
[00:01:23] I had never heard of Hat Man at that point,
[00:01:25] which continues to be the most disturbing piece of this to me.
[00:01:28] Years later, I was telling my mom about the experience
[00:01:30] and she said she saw him when she was a little girl.
[00:01:33] Sadly, this was not prior to 1958, but it must have been around then.
[00:01:36] She was born in 54.
[00:01:38] Loving the show, Joseph from Nashville, Tennessee.
[00:01:41] And this is Joseph's story.
[00:01:44] In 1998, I was 16 years old and still living in my childhood home in rural Tennessee.
[00:01:49] This is when I saw the Hat Man for the first and only time.
[00:01:52] Of course, I had no previous knowledge of any kind of Hat Man or Shadow Person up to that night.
[00:01:58] It wasn't until weeks, months later, when a friend of my parents informed me
[00:02:02] that what I saw was indeed an occurring phenomenon and it had a name, Hat Man.
[00:02:06] She had learned about it herself from a coast-to-coast radio show.
[00:02:10] Since then, I've read many similar accounts like mine,
[00:02:13] where one discovers this wasn't some unique one-off nightmare,
[00:02:15] but something universal, random, and frequent enough that it's a thing.
[00:02:19] At that moment of realization, the event finally sinks all the way in.
[00:02:23] I still get chills thinking about it myself.
[00:02:25] To me, that's the real story here, the phenomenon.
[00:02:28] As much as science tries to explain, rationalize, and demystify this happening,
[00:02:32] it fails to explain why the Hat Man.
[00:02:34] To my knowledge, this nightmarish character expands cultural barriers, age, and sex.
[00:02:40] It can happen to anyone at any time, anywhere.
[00:02:44] To me, that fact alone is just a little too weird not to be anything other than supernatural.
[00:02:49] Here's my Hat Man story.
[00:02:51] Like I said above, I was 16, possibly 17, and living at home.
[00:02:54] I grew up in this house.
[00:02:55] It was a new structure.
[00:02:56] My parents designed and built it themselves before I was born.
[00:02:59] It sat at the edge of the woods off a small, quiet street in a rural part of Middle Tennessee.
[00:03:04] My bedroom was on the house's second floor,
[00:03:06] and at the end of a long hallway directly across from my parents' room.
[00:03:09] The wall closest to the foot of my bed had a large window covered in metal blinds
[00:03:13] that led in a little bit of the streetlight 150 yards away.
[00:03:17] Other than that, and the red numbers from my digital alarm clock, my room was dark.
[00:03:21] I liked it that way.
[00:03:22] Sleep is my friend.
[00:03:23] I love it and need a lot of it.
[00:03:25] It's rare that I have trouble falling off to dreamland.
[00:03:28] Usually, as long as I'm horizontal, it's easy to find slumber.
[00:03:31] However, this particular night in 1998 was different.
[00:03:34] For some reason, that night, I could not go to sleep.
[00:03:37] I remember being extremely tired when I went to bed, but it never happened.
[00:03:41] This might have been the first time I had insomnia.
[00:03:43] I tried all the tricks, hundreds of sheep, breathing exercises,
[00:03:47] and my favorite, the make-your-eyes-tired-by-staring-at-a-point-for-as-long-as-you-can game,
[00:03:51] which my dad had taught me.
[00:03:53] The point I had picked out to stare at was a tiny part of the window at the foot of the bed
[00:03:57] where light was getting through the heavy blinds.
[00:03:59] It was coming at 4 a.m., and I was praying that I could at least get a few hours of sleep.
[00:04:04] Completely out of nowhere, a figure appeared at the foot of my bed.
[00:04:07] It wasn't as if he just popped into existence or dissolved into being in my room.
[00:04:12] I didn't see him walk in or float in from a wall or a window.
[00:04:15] I must have blinked or looked away for a moment, but now he was there.
[00:04:18] He was directly in front of the window I had been staring at.
[00:04:21] His black silhouette contrasted with the striped horizontal light leaks of the metal blinds.
[00:04:26] I distinctly recall he was wearing what I used to call a pilgrim hat and cloak.
[00:04:30] The hat wasn't too tall, but had a large, flat, evenly round brim.
[00:04:34] He was tall and stood very still with dominion.
[00:04:38] Up to this point, what I've described is similar to all the other accounts I've read,
[00:04:42] but here's where my story gets interesting.
[00:04:44] I was lying on my back, arms to my side, eyes wide open.
[00:04:47] I was very awake.
[00:04:48] With eyes wide open.
[00:04:50] I was very awake.
[00:04:51] That's not even the lyric.
[00:04:52] Aware.
[00:04:54] I could not take my eyes off of this man.
[00:04:56] Obviously terrified.
[00:04:58] Petrified.
[00:04:58] I was too scared to scream, too scared to move.
[00:05:01] Upon-
[00:05:02] Too hot to handle, too cold to hold.
[00:05:04] True.
[00:05:05] Look out, hat man.
[00:05:06] You don't know what you're in for.
[00:05:08] Upon further research, I'm positive that I was experiencing sleep paralysis,
[00:05:11] but to me, it felt like the man controlled that part of me.
[00:05:15] I remember thinking this could not be happening.
[00:05:17] My goal was to try to simply disappear.
[00:05:19] I thought he would leave me alone if I didn't move.
[00:05:22] If you're getting attacked by a bear, play dead, right?
[00:05:25] I don't know.
[00:05:25] What did we put in eating alive?
[00:05:27] I don't remember.
[00:05:28] Hopefully we gave you a good answer to that in a future episode.
[00:05:30] I think if you're getting attacked by a bear, what did we say?
[00:05:32] Just to kill yourself?
[00:05:33] No, no, no.
[00:05:34] I think you do play dead because most bears-
[00:05:37] I thought you'd get big.
[00:05:38] Well, if it's coming at you.
[00:05:39] I think if you're being attacked by-
[00:05:41] If you're in the middle of being attacked by one, you play dead
[00:05:44] because most bears aren't trying to kill you to eat you most of the time.
[00:05:49] Grizzly bears.
[00:05:50] If a starving grizzly bear might be trying to eat you,
[00:05:52] but most bears are just trying to make you not a threat.
[00:05:56] Sure.
[00:05:57] They say it's important when someone tells you something incredibly personal
[00:06:00] that you interrupt them a hundred times and make jokes about their story.
[00:06:04] Maybe we'll change that for the next email.
[00:06:07] Sorry.
[00:06:08] We're sorry, Joseph.
[00:06:09] This is a really good email.
[00:06:11] I'm actually really into it.
[00:06:13] But he was-
[00:06:14] Oh, that sounded like I was lying.
[00:06:17] But I am!
[00:06:18] He was no bear and he could very much see me and I felt very much alive.
[00:06:23] My eyes were glued to the man's face.
[00:06:25] I was trying to make out as many details of a human face as possible.
[00:06:28] I guess I wanted a description to give to the police when they were filling out a breaking and entering report.
[00:06:33] The harder I looked, the more I could make out his eye.
[00:06:36] One normal-ish eye.
[00:06:37] It wasn't red or all black or anything like that.
[00:06:42] It's possible he had two eyes, but all I could see, all he allowed me to see, was one eye.
[00:06:46] His right eye.
[00:06:47] At first, the eye was hard to see.
[00:06:49] Blurry.
[00:06:50] As his eye became more focused, I realized that my body was moving closer to him.
[00:06:54] I realized that I was lifting out of bed toward him like a telephone pole being raised upright in position, feet still on the bed.
[00:07:02] The closer I came to him, the more detail I could make out of his eye.
[00:07:05] It was wild and kinetic.
[00:07:06] His eye was rolling, fluttering back and forth in his head really fast.
[00:07:11] When I thought I couldn't take it anymore, I felt myself lowering back into bed.
[00:07:15] In bed again, I rolled over to my left side in a fetal position and got all the way under the bed covers again, hoping again to disappear.
[00:07:22] I fell asleep like that with the feeling that he was still in the room.
[00:07:25] The next day, I told my dad about my experience, and he must have thought I was crazy.
[00:07:30] He'd never seen the hat man.
[00:07:31] A few years ago, around Christmas, I was visiting with my mom.
[00:07:35] We were sitting at the dinner table, eating a nice home-cooked meal.
[00:07:38] She lives in a new house now.
[00:07:40] We moved out of my childhood house after my dad passed away in 2003.
[00:07:46] Somehow, the hat man story came up, and I realized I'd never told her about my experience.
[00:07:50] Just when I got to the part of the story where I explained what the hat man looked like, she stopped me.
[00:07:55] That's the old man that used to live in our closet, my mom exclaimed.
[00:07:59] According to her, her childhood house was haunted, and the ghost lived in the closet of her and her sister's room.
[00:08:04] Cold chills washed over my body when she told me.
[00:08:07] Could it have been the same hat man I saw and all of you have seen?
[00:08:10] Since that night, I've experienced sleep paralysis two other times.
[00:08:14] Once when I was 19, and the other when I was 20.
[00:08:17] Both of those times happened to me in the middle of the day during nap time at a summer camp I was counseling at.
[00:08:22] The entities were different on those occasions, more demonic.
[00:08:26] The last time it happened, it shapeshifted from my girlfriend at the time to a demonic, hairless being
[00:08:31] with crazy Baraka from Mortal Kombat features.
[00:08:35] Oh, wow. Remember Baraka?
[00:08:36] Yeah.
[00:08:37] That's amazing.
[00:08:37] This guy does.
[00:08:38] Sure does.
[00:08:39] I think they're chasing Baraka.
[00:08:40] If anybody listening right now is hearing a helicopter a bunch, this is just Los Angeles, man.
[00:08:44] And we've been trying to stop, but I think a crime is happening outside of my apartment.
[00:08:50] So just please ignore it if possible.
[00:08:52] Both were equally terrifying and real as the hat man encounter.
[00:08:56] I understand how hard it must be to believe such stories if this has never happened to you.
[00:09:01] But this was as real as me sitting here typing this.
[00:09:04] I hope my story is further evidence in a growing body of similar accounts of the possibility
[00:09:08] that this phenomenon exists far beyond our understanding of the current scientific worldview
[00:09:14] and into possibly the spiritual or multidimensional realm.
[00:09:18] Until this mystery is solved, let us rest in the cold comfort of our common experiences with the hat man.
[00:09:25] So, wow.
[00:09:26] Goddamn.
[00:09:26] Joseph Shipp kicking us off strong.
[00:09:29] This is a very scary story.
[00:09:31] Yeah, it's a long story, but it's well written except for that one word.
[00:09:34] I don't know dominion if that was used correctly.
[00:09:37] I don't know it.
[00:09:38] But other than that, like, yeah, definitely setting the bar high for people who write in.
[00:09:44] And I'll try not to, I mean, you can't ask me when it would be out already by the time it comes out.
[00:09:48] But I guess let me know if you get to the end of this episode and you're like,
[00:09:51] I don't want Ed doing the Ed thing during Scary Stories because it fucks with the vibe,
[00:09:55] which we've talked about in the past when I wrote with you on horror stuff,
[00:09:58] where I would just be like ghost enters because you're like,
[00:10:01] Ed does not know how to create a creepy vibe in his brain.
[00:10:05] Just doesn't work that way.
[00:10:06] So yeah, if people want creepy stuff to remain creepy and uninterrupted,
[00:10:10] I will happily do that in the future.
[00:10:12] Well, we've got a bunch more stories coming up
[00:10:14] because I think this first wave of emails is from when we did Hat Man.
[00:10:18] We asked for people to write in with Hat Man stuff
[00:10:20] because we were like, oh, we might do a Hat Man part two.
[00:10:23] Yeah.
[00:10:23] And then we never did.
[00:10:24] We're doing it now, I guess.
[00:10:25] We're doing it now, kind of.
[00:10:26] All right.
[00:10:27] This next one is actually a submission through the Astonishing Legends website
[00:10:32] that got forwarded to us.
[00:10:35] Classic.
[00:10:35] So this is from Daniel, subject the Hat Man.
[00:10:40] Today I listened to the episode on the Hat Man.
[00:10:42] I can't tell whose pod this is, though it came up under my AL feed.
[00:10:48] So that was us.
[00:10:49] Daniel, I hope you're still listening to us.
[00:10:51] And Daniel says he Googled the image out of curiosity.
[00:10:54] When I came to this image, I stopped my scroll
[00:10:57] and was unable to look away from the computer screen.
[00:11:00] So he has included this link here.
[00:11:04] Okay.
[00:11:04] I'll take a look.
[00:11:05] It's the Hat Man.
[00:11:06] He's famously in his silhouette pose.
[00:11:08] Yes.
[00:11:09] The image immediately took me back to my childhood
[00:11:11] and a memory that I have that I've been trying to forget
[00:11:13] and understand since 1977 or 1978.
[00:11:17] In the 1970s, when I was around six or seven,
[00:11:19] I had a recurring dream that has stuck with me for more the last 45 years.
[00:11:24] Okay.
[00:11:24] No, there's a type of thing.
[00:11:25] For more than.
[00:11:26] Yeah.
[00:11:26] In the dream, I was abducted by a man in a black cloak and a black hat.
[00:11:30] This dream has stuck with me all this time
[00:11:32] and the memory comes to me periodically.
[00:11:34] And the memory is as real as any other memory from that time in my life.
[00:11:38] I was a nervous kid whose parents were going through a divorce.
[00:11:40] So I always figured it was just a manifestation of my anxieties and fears,
[00:11:44] but it always seems so real.
[00:11:46] And I remember that for months after the series of dreams,
[00:11:48] I felt I was living under a dark shadow
[00:11:50] and was completely preoccupied by the man in my dream.
[00:11:53] Listening to the Hat Man episode made every hair on my body stand on end
[00:11:56] and chilled me to my core.
[00:11:58] For nearly five decades,
[00:11:59] I've been struggling to understand why the dream had such an impact on me
[00:12:02] and why I was so terrified and traumatized for months after the dream.
[00:12:05] Thanks for the episode and all the work you guys do.
[00:12:08] Oh, that's very nice.
[00:12:09] And a horrible dream.
[00:12:11] It stuck with you to this day, it sounds like.
[00:12:14] Yeah.
[00:12:14] Although I think the thanks for all the work you guys do
[00:12:17] was to Astonishing Legends, not us.
[00:12:18] Oh, true.
[00:12:19] Yeah.
[00:12:19] I went to their website,
[00:12:21] including confusing me with this weird...
[00:12:24] Yeah.
[00:12:24] So we're doing our own thing, baby.
[00:12:26] We're not Astonishing Legends.
[00:12:28] No, but maybe he kept listening to our show
[00:12:30] and now if he had written another email,
[00:12:33] he would say it to us.
[00:12:34] Maybe.
[00:12:35] Well, this next one's also forwarded to us
[00:12:37] from Astonishing Legends from Samantha.
[00:12:40] The subject is generational Hat Man.
[00:12:42] This is another long one.
[00:12:44] Oh, good.
[00:12:44] Message.
[00:12:45] Hello, Astonishing Legends and scared all the time.
[00:12:48] I just finished listening to the Hat Man episode
[00:12:50] and wanted to share my story.
[00:12:52] I have had two experiences that involve the Hat Man.
[00:12:55] My first experience happened to me when I was in middle school.
[00:12:57] One of my family members ran a daycare
[00:12:59] and I would go there after school.
[00:13:01] As I got older,
[00:13:01] I was always allowed to hang out away from the little kids
[00:13:04] and do my homework or watch TV.
[00:13:06] This day in particular,
[00:13:07] I decided to go into the spare room.
[00:13:09] I never went in there.
[00:13:10] I always felt creeped out in there
[00:13:11] because my cousin was not here to keep me entertained.
[00:13:14] So I go in there,
[00:13:15] turn on the TV and get comfy in the bed.
[00:13:17] It's really easy for me to fall asleep anywhere
[00:13:19] so long as I'm warm.
[00:13:20] So I eventually fall asleep.
[00:13:22] It's pretty nice.
[00:13:23] Pretty nice superpower.
[00:13:23] Yeah.
[00:13:24] I remember having this dream of being in the desert
[00:13:27] and walking around confused.
[00:13:28] I'm walking around aimlessly until I see-
[00:13:30] Just fall asleep.
[00:13:31] Desert's a pretty warm.
[00:13:32] Just fall back asleep.
[00:13:34] I'm walking around aimlessly until I feel my stomach drop,
[00:13:37] my heartbeat quicken.
[00:13:38] Oh no, I'm sorry.
[00:13:39] She was asleep in the desert?
[00:13:40] No, no, no.
[00:13:41] I'm walking around aimlessly until I see a huge drop off.
[00:13:44] I walk towards it and don't see where it ends.
[00:13:46] Oh, a cliff.
[00:13:47] I thought it was even like an Amazon drop off.
[00:13:48] Yeah.
[00:13:49] I walk towards it and don't see where it ends.
[00:13:51] I'm peering over the edge and in my dream,
[00:13:53] I slip and start falling.
[00:13:55] Cue the very familiar falling dream feelings.
[00:13:57] I feel my stomach drop, my heartbeat quicken,
[00:14:00] all the anxiety.
[00:14:01] In the dream, I do fall and watch my own head
[00:14:04] smush on the ground.
[00:14:06] Oh my gosh.
[00:14:06] Usually you wake up.
[00:14:07] No.
[00:14:07] Well, she smushes and then I'm suddenly jolted awake
[00:14:10] and I'm looking around the room still in a panic.
[00:14:13] Which reminds me of a Bjork song I like.
[00:14:14] When my eyes meet the mirror that is opposite the bed
[00:14:18] I'm sleeping in, I see the biggest, darkest figure ever.
[00:14:21] It was so big, its neck was bent in an unnatural,
[00:14:24] very uncomfortable looking way.
[00:14:25] At first, I thought I was still dreaming,
[00:14:27] so I hit myself really hard in the legs
[00:14:29] to try and actually wake up.
[00:14:31] But when my eyes averted from the mirror
[00:14:33] to where the big figure was standing in the room,
[00:14:35] it was still there.
[00:14:36] The figure was at the foot of my bed
[00:14:38] and its head was positioned over me.
[00:14:40] When I realized I was actually awake
[00:14:41] and this figure was just standing there looking at me,
[00:14:44] I got freaked out.
[00:14:45] I bet.
[00:14:45] I hurried out of the bed, grabbed my backpack
[00:14:47] and ran as fast as I could out of the room.
[00:14:49] The entire time, the figure did not move its body,
[00:14:52] but only its head to watch me.
[00:14:54] I could still see it in the mirror the whole time,
[00:14:56] just this giant, dark, deep black figure.
[00:14:59] I did get a sense of danger and fear
[00:15:01] and like I definitely needed to leave immediately.
[00:15:03] I made it out of the room and down the hall
[00:15:05] to where the living room was.
[00:15:07] I told my family member I'm going outside
[00:15:09] and sat there until my parents picked me up.
[00:15:11] After that day, I never went back into that room.
[00:15:13] I have many spooky stories regarding that house,
[00:15:16] but I can save those for another time.
[00:15:18] Flash forward 10-ish years later,
[00:15:20] me and my husband have renovated our current bedroom.
[00:15:22] We turned the attic into our bedroom loft slash living area
[00:15:25] and we were looking for furniture.
[00:15:27] The same family member who ran the daycare
[00:15:29] found out I was in need of furniture
[00:15:30] and called me saying she had a lot of random pieces
[00:15:33] that I could come look at before she donated them.
[00:15:35] Yeah, you don't want to donate that mirror
[00:15:36] before we get a chance to get it.
[00:15:38] No, me and my husband were happy to go see,
[00:15:40] so we went that evening.
[00:15:41] When we got there, she was showing us
[00:15:43] where to get the furniture from.
[00:15:45] She's older and would not have been able
[00:15:46] to help us that much.
[00:15:47] My heart dropped.
[00:15:48] I knew exactly where she was leading us,
[00:15:51] to the room where I saw that figure, the hat man.
[00:15:54] I started panicking but didn't want to seem rude
[00:15:56] or freak out my husband.
[00:15:57] When we entered the room,
[00:15:59] the whole energy felt different.
[00:16:01] The room felt colder than the rest of the house
[00:16:02] and felt so isolated.
[00:16:04] I live in LA where the seasons don't really change.
[00:16:07] It's basically summer all the time,
[00:16:09] so to feel cold is something that doesn't really happen.
[00:16:12] I put on a brave face
[00:16:13] and me and my husband start looking through the furniture.
[00:16:15] We did take three items and we were off.
[00:16:17] When I got home, my husband could tell
[00:16:19] something was on my mind, so he asked me.
[00:16:21] I told him everything.
[00:16:23] I told him about my experience,
[00:16:25] the way I had felt the day it happened
[00:16:26] and how I felt coming back into that room.
[00:16:28] I also told him about the other experiences
[00:16:30] I had in the home.
[00:16:32] He was also pretty creeped out,
[00:16:33] but he reassured me I was just probably
[00:16:35] a little triggered from that traumatic experience
[00:16:37] and there wouldn't be any bad repercussions
[00:16:38] from taking furniture from that family member.
[00:16:41] Not financially, he got it all for free.
[00:16:42] Well, he was wrong.
[00:16:44] Oh, classic.
[00:16:45] That night I was pretty freaked out,
[00:16:47] so I asked to sleep with my lamp on.
[00:16:49] Well, I saw the hat man again,
[00:16:51] but this time there was no bad dream to summon him
[00:16:53] and I know I didn't take 14 Benadryl.
[00:16:56] At this point in my life,
[00:16:58] dealing with the paranormal and entities
[00:16:59] was something I would say I was more accustomed to.
[00:17:02] I didn't talk to him,
[00:17:03] but I acknowledged him and he acknowledged me.
[00:17:05] It felt as if he was checking in on me.
[00:17:07] I was scared for sure,
[00:17:09] but not to the same degree as when I was in middle school
[00:17:11] and that seemed to make him disappointed.
[00:17:13] I remember thinking in my head,
[00:17:14] okay, I'm scared right now,
[00:17:16] but I see you.
[00:17:17] I know you're real and I'm okay with that.
[00:17:18] And it was like I could hear his thoughts.
[00:17:20] It was something to the effect of,
[00:17:22] well, damn, I wanted you to be more scared.
[00:17:24] And it was probably a few moments of this
[00:17:26] just blank staring at each other
[00:17:28] before I noticed he was moving towards me.
[00:17:30] That is when I really started getting terrified.
[00:17:33] Okay.
[00:17:33] I pulled out this small card from under my pillow
[00:17:35] that has a prayer on the back
[00:17:37] and the Archangel Michael on the front.
[00:17:39] I encounter a lot of spooky things.
[00:17:41] So yes, I do have this card
[00:17:42] as like my one line of defense.
[00:17:43] And if that doesn't work, I'm screwed.
[00:17:45] Okay, well.
[00:17:46] I held it out in front of me and yelled,
[00:17:48] no, this was the first time
[00:17:50] I ever saw features on him.
[00:17:52] He smirked, but there was no teeth,
[00:17:54] just like an open mouth hole.
[00:17:56] And he dissipated into the ground.
[00:17:58] It was like he melted through the floor.
[00:18:00] My husband shot up in bed
[00:18:02] and immediately put his arms around me,
[00:18:03] asking me what was wrong.
[00:18:05] I struggled to process what happened for a moment
[00:18:07] because I was scared.
[00:18:08] But once I calmed down,
[00:18:09] I got my encounter out
[00:18:10] and he shook his head
[00:18:11] and told me to stop watching scary movies.
[00:18:13] Oh my God, this guy is not going to give up
[00:18:14] free furniture for any reason.
[00:18:17] He wants that bed frame, damn.
[00:18:20] I shook him off and went downstairs
[00:18:21] and stayed up till morning
[00:18:23] because I was not going back to sleep in that room.
[00:18:25] The next day I was hanging out
[00:18:26] with my immediate family
[00:18:27] and we all love a good scary story.
[00:18:29] So I told them what happened to me last night
[00:18:31] and to my utter shock,
[00:18:32] my godmother,
[00:18:33] the daughter of the family member
[00:18:35] who owns the daycare,
[00:18:36] started crying.
[00:18:37] We all focused our attention to her
[00:18:39] and asked what the hell happened to her
[00:18:41] and she blurted out,
[00:18:42] I thought he wasn't real.
[00:18:43] She proceeded to tell us
[00:18:45] that her and her two sisters
[00:18:46] would see the exact same figure
[00:18:48] almost nightly
[00:18:49] until they had to move rooms
[00:18:50] because they were renovating the home.
[00:18:52] Wow.
[00:18:52] I had no idea the room I slept in
[00:18:54] the first time I saw him
[00:18:55] was their childhood bedroom.
[00:18:57] She always chalked him off
[00:18:58] to some irrational way of coping
[00:18:59] during her childhood
[00:19:00] because her and her sisters
[00:19:01] did experience a lot of abuse
[00:19:02] in that home.
[00:19:03] It was definitely unnerving
[00:19:05] and creepy to hear that
[00:19:06] from another family member
[00:19:07] validating that whoever we saw,
[00:19:09] if it truly was the hat man,
[00:19:10] is somehow visiting the same home
[00:19:12] throughout time.
[00:19:13] But also interesting
[00:19:14] that the hat man
[00:19:15] stayed in the room.
[00:19:17] The kids moved rooms
[00:19:18] during renovation.
[00:19:19] Yeah.
[00:19:20] It sounds like it didn't follow them
[00:19:21] into the other room.
[00:19:22] Yeah.
[00:19:22] So maybe it's attached
[00:19:23] to literally a piece of furniture.
[00:19:24] Get rid of this furniture.
[00:19:25] I'm telling you guys this right now.
[00:19:27] Burn the furniture.
[00:19:27] I know this is a year late.
[00:19:29] Yeah.
[00:19:29] Hopefully you've burned
[00:19:31] the furniture by now.
[00:19:32] Get rid of it.
[00:19:33] That is.
[00:19:34] It's also just a lot of interesting
[00:19:35] elements of this hat man story
[00:19:37] as well as like
[00:19:38] waking up from the dream
[00:19:40] and it's not a sleep paralysis demon.
[00:19:42] Like she can move.
[00:19:43] She left the room.
[00:19:44] Yeah.
[00:19:45] He's in a mirror.
[00:19:46] Yeah.
[00:19:46] Like there's just a lot of elements
[00:19:48] to this hat man story
[00:19:50] kind of giving more agency
[00:19:51] to hat man
[00:19:52] and the and the hat man viewer
[00:19:54] than some of the other ones
[00:19:55] where it's like I'm paralyzed.
[00:19:57] Yeah.
[00:19:57] It's a very concrete story.
[00:19:59] Yes.
[00:19:59] With a lot of like layer and detail.
[00:20:02] Yeah.
[00:20:02] That would be a good one
[00:20:03] if we ever like
[00:20:04] wanted to
[00:20:05] I don't know
[00:20:06] investigate or something.
[00:20:08] It seems like that's a
[00:20:09] Yeah.
[00:20:09] That's definitely
[00:20:10] a good starting point.
[00:20:11] She won't
[00:20:11] she probably won't respond to us
[00:20:13] after a year.
[00:20:14] Samantha.
[00:20:14] I'm sorry.
[00:20:15] No.
[00:20:15] Sorry Samantha.
[00:20:17] We're we're jerks
[00:20:17] when it comes to emails
[00:20:19] but we're getting around to it now.
[00:20:21] Samantha sent an additional
[00:20:22] non hat man email
[00:20:24] that for organizational purposes
[00:20:26] we thought would be good
[00:20:28] to just include
[00:20:29] in the hat man episode.
[00:20:30] So consider this email
[00:20:31] a hat man bonus bonus email
[00:20:34] and thank you very much
[00:20:36] to Samantha
[00:20:37] for sending it our way.
[00:20:38] Uh satanic panic
[00:20:40] from Samantha.
[00:20:41] Hello again Ed and Chris.
[00:20:42] I have yet another story
[00:20:44] that got brought back up
[00:20:45] from your most recent episode.
[00:20:47] So as I mentioned
[00:20:48] in the hat man email
[00:20:49] I have a lot of strange
[00:20:50] supernatural encounters
[00:20:51] that have happened
[00:20:52] from as early as I can remember
[00:20:53] to about last week.
[00:20:55] I am convinced
[00:20:57] that my family
[00:20:57] is just more in touch
[00:20:58] with the supernatural
[00:20:59] and paranormal.
[00:21:01] My dad's side of the family
[00:21:02] is from El Salvador
[00:21:03] and I'm technically
[00:21:04] the first generation
[00:21:05] from his family
[00:21:06] to be born in America.
[00:21:07] My immediate family
[00:21:08] from my dad's side
[00:21:09] were all born
[00:21:10] in the motherland
[00:21:11] El Salvador
[00:21:12] in a town called
[00:21:14] Chalchuaapa.
[00:21:15] This town is right
[00:21:16] where an old ruin
[00:21:17] still lies till this day.
[00:21:18] On a map
[00:21:19] it's called
[00:21:19] Colonia Tatsumal
[00:21:21] but the locals
[00:21:23] just refer to it
[00:21:24] as El Tatsumal
[00:21:25] meaning my family lineage
[00:21:26] has direct
[00:21:27] indigenous bloodline.
[00:21:28] Okay.
[00:21:28] Actually I found out
[00:21:29] from a family member
[00:21:30] that the language
[00:21:31] the Marvel character
[00:21:32] played by Tena Cuerta
[00:21:33] is speaking
[00:21:34] is actually a little bit
[00:21:35] of our language.
[00:21:36] Shit dude.
[00:21:37] Of course this language
[00:21:38] is dying out
[00:21:38] but I thought
[00:21:38] that was really cool.
[00:21:39] That is really cool.
[00:21:40] My mom speaks
[00:21:41] a dialect of Italian
[00:21:42] that like no one
[00:21:43] speaks anymore
[00:21:43] so I'm gonna start
[00:21:44] telling people
[00:21:45] that most of the
[00:21:46] Star Wars languages
[00:21:47] are.
[00:21:48] I should do that
[00:21:49] with my dad too.
[00:21:50] It's the same thing.
[00:21:51] Very obscure dialects.
[00:21:53] Anyway the reason
[00:21:54] I'm writing to you
[00:21:54] is because I have
[00:21:55] a personal satanic
[00:21:56] panic story to share.
[00:21:58] My dad used to tell me
[00:21:59] this story quite often
[00:22:00] as a child
[00:22:00] and now after verifying
[00:22:02] it with my grandma
[00:22:02] I know that it's true
[00:22:03] and just as terrifying
[00:22:04] as it was when I first
[00:22:06] heard it.
[00:22:07] My grandma was a homemaker
[00:22:08] when she lived
[00:22:09] in El Salvador.
[00:22:09] She used to help
[00:22:10] her sister at one
[00:22:11] of her stalls
[00:22:12] in the market.
[00:22:12] We still have that stall
[00:22:14] to this day
[00:22:14] to make some extra money
[00:22:15] here and there.
[00:22:16] In her spare free time
[00:22:17] my grandma would
[00:22:18] attend this church.
[00:22:20] At times she would
[00:22:20] drag my dad
[00:22:21] and his sister
[00:22:22] my aunt
[00:22:23] with her
[00:22:23] to the services.
[00:22:24] Well my grandma
[00:22:25] has always called
[00:22:26] herself a witch.
[00:22:27] She said all the
[00:22:28] firstborn women
[00:22:29] in our family
[00:22:29] are witches.
[00:22:30] Which does that
[00:22:31] include Samantha?
[00:22:32] Was I keeping track
[00:22:33] of this correctly?
[00:22:34] Samantha is that
[00:22:35] in this story?
[00:22:36] Yeah she said
[00:22:37] she's the first
[00:22:37] generation from
[00:22:38] her dad's family
[00:22:39] to be born in America
[00:22:40] so she would be
[00:22:41] the firstborn
[00:22:41] Well she might
[00:22:42] she'd be the first
[00:22:43] generation
[00:22:43] if she's anything
[00:22:44] like my parents
[00:22:44] family is one of
[00:22:45] eight.
[00:22:45] Yeah.
[00:22:46] You know what I mean?
[00:22:46] So she said all the
[00:22:48] firstborn women
[00:22:48] in our family
[00:22:49] are witches.
[00:22:50] However not all of us
[00:22:51] have this extra spark
[00:22:51] like her and her
[00:22:52] mother did.
[00:22:53] My grandma's affinity
[00:22:54] is with plants
[00:22:55] and nature.
[00:22:55] She has the most
[00:22:56] popular garden
[00:22:57] on her block.
[00:22:58] People literally
[00:22:58] stop when she's
[00:22:59] out gardening
[00:22:59] and ask about her
[00:23:00] giant tree
[00:23:01] and countless
[00:23:01] thriving plants.
[00:23:03] This meant when
[00:23:03] I was younger
[00:23:04] anytime I had pains
[00:23:05] or tummy ache
[00:23:06] there was a
[00:23:06] handmade salve
[00:23:07] or tea to help me
[00:23:08] and it did work
[00:23:09] but it just tasted
[00:23:09] and smelled like shit.
[00:23:11] Yeah.
[00:23:11] Yeah.
[00:23:11] My grandma
[00:23:12] to bring back
[00:23:13] to the family
[00:23:13] I guess
[00:23:14] so rarely sick
[00:23:16] and when she is
[00:23:17] sick makes this
[00:23:18] wacky
[00:23:19] disgusting
[00:23:20] smelling shit
[00:23:21] from the homeland
[00:23:22] that fucking
[00:23:23] works apparently
[00:23:24] but I never
[00:23:26] got the info
[00:23:27] on exactly what
[00:23:28] it was
[00:23:28] but it's just
[00:23:29] a bunch of shit
[00:23:30] taken from like
[00:23:30] the garden
[00:23:31] and the ground
[00:23:31] and stuff.
[00:23:32] Yeah.
[00:23:32] I mean it's all
[00:23:33] it's just yeah
[00:23:33] it tastes like
[00:23:34] dirt plant mix.
[00:23:35] When I was younger
[00:23:36] maybe middle school age
[00:23:38] I asked her how
[00:23:38] she knew how to do
[00:23:39] all this stuff
[00:23:40] and she told me
[00:23:40] that she learned
[00:23:41] everything from her
[00:23:42] mother and honed it
[00:23:43] when she attended
[00:23:43] this church.
[00:23:44] When I asked her
[00:23:45] to explain more
[00:23:46] she began to tell
[00:23:46] me her story.
[00:23:47] Ever since she
[00:23:48] could remember
[00:23:49] she knew her
[00:23:49] mother was a witch.
[00:23:50] People would
[00:23:51] always be at her
[00:23:51] home asking her
[00:23:52] mom for medicines
[00:23:53] to help them
[00:23:53] and she would.
[00:23:55] Eventually my grandma
[00:23:55] showed interest
[00:23:56] and her mother
[00:23:57] taught her.
[00:23:57] When my grandma
[00:23:58] grew older
[00:23:59] and had her
[00:23:59] own children
[00:24:00] she continued
[00:24:00] to do the same.
[00:24:01] When she joined
[00:24:02] the church
[00:24:03] not a major one
[00:24:04] just one of those
[00:24:04] little pop-up ones
[00:24:05] it was known
[00:24:06] by the other
[00:24:06] members that
[00:24:07] she was an
[00:24:07] herbal witch.
[00:24:09] She was approached
[00:24:09] by some of the
[00:24:10] higher ups in this
[00:24:11] church to join
[00:24:11] them in helping
[00:24:12] aid some of the
[00:24:13] sick members
[00:24:13] of the church.
[00:24:14] Of course
[00:24:15] she was happy
[00:24:15] to do so.
[00:24:16] After some time
[00:24:17] maybe a year or
[00:24:18] so as she remembers
[00:24:18] they invited her
[00:24:19] to an after hours
[00:24:20] type of event
[00:24:21] with the leaders.
[00:24:22] At this event
[00:24:23] she witnessed
[00:24:23] her first ever
[00:24:24] ritual.
[00:24:25] She told me
[00:24:26] that when she
[00:24:26] got to the event
[00:24:27] there was a huge
[00:24:27] white circle
[00:24:28] with symbols
[00:24:29] in the circle
[00:24:29] and candles
[00:24:30] lining the circle.
[00:24:31] What kind of
[00:24:31] church is this?
[00:24:32] Well I guess
[00:24:32] a church had
[00:24:33] accepted a witch.
[00:24:34] Yeah she was
[00:24:35] hesitant at first
[00:24:36] to stay
[00:24:36] because she knew
[00:24:37] of satanic
[00:24:38] archetypes.
[00:24:39] I've always said
[00:24:40] that Latin
[00:24:40] cultures have
[00:24:41] a deep
[00:24:41] understanding
[00:24:41] and respect
[00:24:42] of the supernatural
[00:24:43] so when she
[00:24:44] saw something
[00:24:44] that looked
[00:24:45] like a weird
[00:24:45] creepy satanic
[00:24:46] ritual
[00:24:47] she wanted out.
[00:24:48] She always
[00:24:48] labels herself
[00:24:49] as a good
[00:24:50] witch and did
[00:24:50] not want to be
[00:24:51] involved with
[00:24:51] something that
[00:24:51] went against
[00:24:52] her core beliefs.
[00:24:53] The person
[00:24:54] who brought
[00:24:54] her to the event
[00:24:55] calmed her
[00:24:55] down and told
[00:24:56] her it was
[00:24:56] not bad or
[00:24:57] conjuring or
[00:24:57] anything like
[00:24:58] that.
[00:24:58] So she stayed
[00:24:59] to see what
[00:25:00] would happen.
[00:25:00] She said nothing
[00:25:01] happened.
[00:25:02] Well they didn't
[00:25:02] conjure anything
[00:25:03] so yeah what was
[00:25:04] going to happen?
[00:25:04] It's all things
[00:25:05] about not conjuring.
[00:25:06] Everyone was just
[00:25:06] praying together
[00:25:07] for each other
[00:25:08] for other members
[00:25:09] so she decided to
[00:25:10] attend other events
[00:25:11] like these.
[00:25:12] Fast forward a few
[00:25:12] months after she
[00:25:13] went to this
[00:25:14] first event she
[00:25:14] was approached
[00:25:15] by the pastor
[00:25:15] and he asked
[00:25:16] her to make
[00:25:17] this batch
[00:25:17] of tea for
[00:25:18] the next event
[00:25:18] and at the
[00:25:19] time she
[00:25:20] thought nothing
[00:25:20] of it however
[00:25:21] the pastor
[00:25:21] pulled her
[00:25:22] aside before
[00:25:23] the event
[00:25:23] and asked
[00:25:23] her to follow
[00:25:24] this list
[00:25:24] of instructions
[00:25:25] when making
[00:25:26] the tea.
[00:25:26] Well I make
[00:25:27] the tea sir.
[00:25:28] I don't come
[00:25:28] to your fucking
[00:25:29] church.
[00:25:29] Slow your roll
[00:25:30] pastor.
[00:25:31] Yeah knock the
[00:25:32] collection plate
[00:25:32] out of your
[00:25:39] this was coming
[00:25:39] directly from the
[00:25:40] pastor.
[00:25:40] Who was she to
[00:25:41] question him?
[00:25:42] She's the tea maker.
[00:25:43] Yeah you're the
[00:25:43] tea maker.
[00:25:44] She's the person
[00:25:44] to question him.
[00:25:45] Literally your
[00:25:46] position to be
[00:25:46] like I have
[00:25:47] notes on this.
[00:25:48] Before she started
[00:25:49] to make the tea
[00:25:49] she had to draw
[00:25:50] a circle on the
[00:25:51] ground and draw
[00:25:51] symbols inside that
[00:25:52] circle.
[00:25:53] Right there I'm
[00:25:54] like that's not
[00:25:54] how I make tea.
[00:25:55] Can you imagine
[00:25:56] if like you're
[00:25:56] like a mechanic
[00:25:58] or something and
[00:25:58] a guy drops his
[00:25:59] car off and he's
[00:26:00] like now listen
[00:26:00] this is a little
[00:26:01] unusual but could
[00:26:02] you draw a pentagram
[00:26:03] beneath my car before
[00:26:04] you fix the brakes?
[00:26:05] Yeah.
[00:26:05] You'd be like well
[00:26:06] no.
[00:26:07] No it's not
[00:26:08] because I'm
[00:26:09] absolutely not.
[00:26:10] That's yeah it's
[00:26:10] pretty silly.
[00:26:11] Or I've never also
[00:26:12] opened like a
[00:26:12] bon appetit recipe
[00:26:14] online it starts
[00:26:15] with like drawing
[00:26:15] a circle.
[00:26:16] Yeah so before
[00:26:17] she started to make
[00:26:18] the tea she had
[00:26:18] to draw a circle
[00:26:19] on the ground
[00:26:20] and draw symbols
[00:26:20] inside that circle.
[00:26:22] After that she
[00:26:23] had to get my
[00:26:23] dad and my aunt
[00:26:24] to stand at
[00:26:25] opposite ends of
[00:26:26] the circle and
[00:26:27] repeat this chant
[00:26:28] all while my
[00:26:29] grandma makes the
[00:26:29] tea.
[00:26:30] Look God bless
[00:26:30] people who have
[00:26:31] faith and feel
[00:26:33] you know compelled
[00:26:34] to do what the
[00:26:34] pastor asks.
[00:26:35] I think that was
[00:26:36] the thing I was
[00:26:36] going to say is I
[00:26:37] think we need to
[00:26:38] distance ourselves
[00:26:38] from feeling compelled
[00:26:39] to do what the
[00:26:40] pastor asks.
[00:26:41] Yeah.
[00:26:42] Yeah I think you
[00:26:42] can I mean I would
[00:26:43] just show up with tea
[00:26:44] and said you follow
[00:26:44] these instructions
[00:26:45] and be like absolutely.
[00:26:46] I don't know why
[00:26:48] she just followed
[00:26:48] these instructions
[00:26:49] when she at first
[00:26:50] had hesitation
[00:26:51] like when she first
[00:26:52] attended that event
[00:26:53] and I asked her this
[00:26:54] because to me it
[00:26:55] didn't make sense
[00:26:56] why she would just
[00:26:56] pretty much blindly
[00:26:57] follow this weird
[00:26:58] ass clearly
[00:26:59] ritualistic thing.
[00:27:00] Thank God the
[00:27:01] emailers on the
[00:27:01] same page we seem
[00:27:02] less like dicks now.
[00:27:03] Yeah.
[00:27:03] Yeah.
[00:27:04] She smirked and
[00:27:05] said she was
[00:27:05] tricked.
[00:27:06] I was still confused
[00:27:07] and she explained
[00:27:08] the craziest part.
[00:27:09] She said that she
[00:27:10] was weakened because
[00:27:11] at these events when
[00:27:12] they were quote
[00:27:12] praying for each
[00:27:13] other the pastor
[00:27:14] and the higher
[00:27:15] ups were actually
[00:27:16] praying to this
[00:27:16] entity a demonic
[00:27:18] entity.
[00:27:18] Ball.
[00:27:19] And everyone else
[00:27:20] who was not aware
[00:27:20] of this were
[00:27:21] basically just pawns.
[00:27:22] That's interesting
[00:27:23] actually I do find
[00:27:24] that interesting.
[00:27:24] I asked her how
[00:27:25] did she know she
[00:27:26] was tricked if she
[00:27:27] was weakened by
[00:27:28] attending so many
[00:27:29] events.
[00:27:30] Samantha on it
[00:27:31] great question.
[00:27:32] Yes.
[00:27:33] She said that she
[00:27:34] had a dream that
[00:27:34] night she made the
[00:27:35] tea and in her
[00:27:37] dream her deceased
[00:27:37] mother visited her
[00:27:38] and essentially showed
[00:27:39] her a vision of the
[00:27:40] entity living and
[00:27:41] inhabiting the church.
[00:27:43] When she woke up
[00:27:43] from the dream she
[00:27:44] said she was compelled
[00:27:45] to immediately throw
[00:27:46] the tea away and of
[00:27:47] course never attend
[00:27:47] the church again.
[00:27:48] Wild.
[00:27:49] She was so freaked
[00:27:50] out that she forced
[00:27:51] my grandpa to move
[00:27:52] to another town.
[00:27:53] Fuck that another
[00:27:53] country.
[00:27:54] Yeah this was of
[00:27:55] course a time where
[00:27:56] if you just moved
[00:27:57] towns you'd
[00:27:57] essentially disappear
[00:27:59] essentially in such
[00:28:00] an underdeveloped
[00:28:01] place.
[00:28:02] That's really funny.
[00:28:03] I was shocked and
[00:28:05] creeped out to hear
[00:28:06] this and the fact
[00:28:06] that it actually
[00:28:07] happened to my dad.
[00:28:09] My dad always told
[00:28:10] me that he remembers
[00:28:10] being in this circle
[00:28:11] and forced to recite
[00:28:12] this chant over and
[00:28:13] over while my grandma
[00:28:14] made the tea.
[00:28:15] He remembers being
[00:28:16] scared because he
[00:28:17] said as soon as him
[00:28:18] and his sister began
[00:28:19] chanting it it was
[00:28:20] like his mom wasn't
[00:28:21] his mom anymore.
[00:28:22] He recalls feeling
[00:28:23] like he was isolated
[00:28:24] and surrounded by
[00:28:25] darkness and if he
[00:28:26] stopped his mom
[00:28:27] would yell at him
[00:28:27] to continue.
[00:28:28] Interesting.
[00:28:28] I asked him if he
[00:28:29] ever went to church
[00:28:30] with my grandma
[00:28:31] and he said even
[00:28:32] to a few services
[00:28:33] but never felt weird
[00:28:34] but that night he
[00:28:35] clearly felt something
[00:28:36] was off.
[00:28:37] I asked my grandma
[00:28:38] if something followed
[00:28:39] her since she saw
[00:28:40] the entity.
[00:28:41] She said she got
[00:28:42] lucky by knowing
[00:28:42] how to do protection
[00:28:43] spells from her
[00:28:44] mother.
[00:28:45] She said she would
[00:28:46] replace the protection
[00:28:47] charms every week
[00:28:48] and she had one in
[00:28:49] every room.
[00:28:50] However she did
[00:28:51] tell me that she saw
[00:28:51] the entity one more
[00:28:52] time.
[00:28:53] It happened when
[00:28:54] she almost died.
[00:28:55] She went into
[00:28:55] diabetic shock and
[00:28:56] was quite literally
[00:28:57] in between life and
[00:28:58] death.
[00:28:58] She had seen this
[00:29:00] entity the first
[00:29:00] night back home
[00:29:01] but she said it
[00:29:02] felt more like it
[00:29:03] was disappointed.
[00:29:04] She said she even
[00:29:04] felt anger coming
[00:29:05] from it.
[00:29:06] Sorry that was a
[00:29:07] long one lol.
[00:29:08] Totally understand
[00:29:09] if you don't even
[00:29:09] read this.
[00:29:10] Oh my god.
[00:29:11] I have a couple
[00:29:11] I like that we have
[00:29:12] two stories not in a
[00:29:13] row but two stories
[00:29:14] in this segment we're
[00:29:15] doing where the
[00:29:16] entity is bummed.
[00:29:17] We had the hat man
[00:29:18] who was like
[00:29:18] disappointed they
[00:29:19] weren't scared and
[00:29:20] this ball figure
[00:29:21] disappointed that this
[00:29:22] person kind of got
[00:29:23] the one up on them
[00:29:24] because an ancestor
[00:29:25] dropped a dime on
[00:29:26] the devil.
[00:29:27] Yeah but is this
[00:29:29] hold on this is the
[00:29:30] same Samantha who
[00:29:31] sent us the hat man
[00:29:32] story with the
[00:29:33] haunted mirror.
[00:29:34] Oh so disappointed
[00:29:35] figures are part of
[00:29:37] her au revoir of
[00:29:38] material.
[00:29:38] but also I think I
[00:29:40] know where the hat
[00:29:41] man in her house
[00:29:42] came from.
[00:29:43] I'm not ball demon
[00:29:45] I mean who's
[00:29:46] having the hat man
[00:29:46] check in.
[00:29:47] I don't know I'm
[00:29:48] putting two and two
[00:29:49] together on the fly
[00:29:50] here but this seems
[00:29:51] like Samantha and
[00:29:52] her family have been
[00:29:53] letting down ghosts
[00:29:54] since at least the
[00:29:55] 70s.
[00:29:55] Easily if not longer
[00:29:57] and that's why they
[00:29:57] keep visiting and
[00:29:58] that's why they're so
[00:29:59] mad.
[00:30:00] Generationally upsetting
[00:30:01] ghosts.
[00:30:01] Yeah.
[00:30:02] Well thank you that's
[00:30:03] awesome two great
[00:30:03] stories.
[00:30:04] Yeah so now this next
[00:30:06] one is actually not an
[00:30:07] email that came
[00:30:08] directly to our
[00:30:09] inbox but it's from
[00:30:10] my friend Raj.
[00:30:11] Did any emails come
[00:30:12] to our inbox?
[00:30:13] We have like two
[00:30:13] other than that first
[00:30:15] one.
[00:30:15] There's plenty of
[00:30:15] emails that came to
[00:30:16] the inbox but this
[00:30:17] is from my friend
[00:30:18] Raj who did the
[00:30:18] theme song to the
[00:30:19] show Scared.
[00:30:21] When he heard
[00:30:22] hat man he was
[00:30:23] like I have a
[00:30:23] hat man story can I
[00:30:24] send it to you and
[00:30:25] I was like yeah send
[00:30:26] it.
[00:30:26] So this is via
[00:30:27] carrier pigeon.
[00:30:28] We sent it to my
[00:30:29] email.
[00:30:29] Gotcha.
[00:30:30] And then I
[00:30:30] forwarded it to
[00:30:32] our email.
[00:30:34] So you sent it to
[00:30:35] the place where
[00:30:35] emails don't get
[00:30:36] responded to.
[00:30:36] Yeah.
[00:30:37] You're like I can't
[00:30:37] deal with this right
[00:30:38] now let me put it in
[00:30:39] this place where I
[00:30:40] know I can ignore it
[00:30:40] for a year.
[00:30:42] So Raj says I had
[00:30:43] sleep paralysis on a
[00:30:44] nearly weekly basis
[00:30:46] from when I was 16
[00:30:47] until I was in my
[00:30:48] 30s.
[00:30:48] This manifested
[00:30:49] itself in a number
[00:30:50] of traditional forms
[00:30:51] seeing the hat man
[00:30:52] standing in my
[00:30:53] doorway thinking
[00:30:54] someone was sitting
[00:30:54] on my chest
[00:30:55] finding out from my
[00:30:56] girlfriend that I
[00:30:56] was talking yelling
[00:30:58] screaming in my
[00:30:58] sleep etc.
[00:31:00] But the worst
[00:31:00] sessions always
[00:31:01] happened when I
[00:31:02] was on tour with
[00:31:02] my bands.
[00:31:03] I've basically never
[00:31:04] slept a full eight
[00:31:05] hour night in my
[00:31:06] life and sleeping
[00:31:06] in vans and on
[00:31:07] strange floors was
[00:31:08] no different.
[00:31:09] The absolute pits of
[00:31:10] this came with my
[00:31:11] first band the
[00:31:12] appreciation post.
[00:31:13] Woo shout out
[00:31:14] appreciation post.
[00:31:16] Yeah.
[00:31:16] Who were fans of
[00:31:17] driving halfway to
[00:31:17] the next city and
[00:31:18] sleeping in a rest
[00:31:19] stop Walmart parking
[00:31:20] lot etc.
[00:31:21] And one of our
[00:31:22] early tours we
[00:31:23] stopped at one of
[00:31:24] the RT 15 rest
[00:31:25] stops in Connecticut
[00:31:26] and set up to
[00:31:27] slumber.
[00:31:28] Shout out Merritt
[00:31:28] Parkway.
[00:31:29] Yeah.
[00:31:30] Some on the floor
[00:31:30] some on the bench
[00:31:31] seat or the loft
[00:31:32] over the gear and me
[00:31:33] and a fully reclining
[00:31:34] captain's chair next
[00:31:35] to the front door.
[00:31:36] I'll never forget
[00:31:37] waking up that night
[00:31:38] and being completely
[00:31:39] immobile.
[00:31:39] I was able to turn my
[00:31:41] head enough to see a
[00:31:41] guy looking in the
[00:31:42] front windshield directly
[00:31:43] at me.
[00:31:44] He picked up his hand
[00:31:46] as if to knock on the
[00:31:46] windshield but it
[00:31:47] didn't make any noise.
[00:31:48] He came around to the
[00:31:50] side window and
[00:31:50] peered in.
[00:31:51] I tried lifting my
[00:31:52] shoulders but couldn't.
[00:31:54] He went to knock the
[00:31:55] window again.
[00:31:56] I bolted up soaked
[00:31:57] in sweat.
[00:31:57] The rest stop was
[00:31:58] silent.
[00:31:59] I hopped out to get
[00:32:00] some fresh air and
[00:32:01] make sure what I'd
[00:32:01] seen was merely a
[00:32:02] spirit being and not
[00:32:03] a corporeal creep.
[00:32:04] There was one other
[00:32:05] car in the lot and I
[00:32:06] could see a man
[00:32:07] sleeping in the front
[00:32:08] seat.
[00:32:09] I sat on the curb and
[00:32:10] read one of the free
[00:32:11] newspapers they had in
[00:32:12] the rest stop until my
[00:32:13] bandmates woke up so we
[00:32:14] could leave.
[00:32:15] Whoa.
[00:32:16] So that's a pretty
[00:32:16] creepy.
[00:32:17] I think that's the only
[00:32:18] band on the road
[00:32:20] hat man story I've ever
[00:32:21] heard.
[00:32:22] Yeah.
[00:32:22] And the term corporeal
[00:32:24] creep might make a good
[00:32:25] pin too.
[00:32:25] Yeah.
[00:32:26] Good button.
[00:32:27] Thanks, Raj.
[00:32:33] All right.
[00:32:34] This next one is
[00:32:35] from Amy.
[00:32:36] Amy.
[00:32:36] She says,
[00:32:37] I've had a strange
[00:32:38] shadow man experience
[00:32:39] through my ex-husband
[00:32:41] Greg.
[00:32:42] Prior to listening to
[00:32:43] your show I had never
[00:32:44] heard of anyone
[00:32:44] physically interacting
[00:32:45] with a shadow man
[00:32:46] before but it's
[00:32:47] interesting to know I
[00:32:48] may not be alone.
[00:32:50] When I first started
[00:32:51] dating Greg and we
[00:32:52] started staying over
[00:32:53] each other's houses he
[00:32:54] warned me that he
[00:32:54] often had nights where
[00:32:55] he suffered sleep
[00:32:56] paralysis and he would
[00:32:57] shake in his sleep
[00:32:58] trying to wake himself
[00:32:59] up.
[00:32:59] Oh my gosh.
[00:33:00] He did mention how he
[00:33:01] would see this thing and
[00:33:02] it terrified him but
[00:33:03] didn't go into detail
[00:33:04] about it.
[00:33:05] I have never had to
[00:33:06] have a conversation
[00:33:07] with anyone yet which
[00:33:08] is nice.
[00:33:08] I never had to be like
[00:33:09] listen I know this is
[00:33:10] new.
[00:33:11] Our friend Pat had to
[00:33:12] he told me once.
[00:33:13] Oh with a partner?
[00:33:15] Yeah.
[00:33:15] Okay yeah I just don't
[00:33:16] have that like luckily
[00:33:17] I sleep pretty well but
[00:33:19] but I guess you have to
[00:33:20] if you feel like it's
[00:33:20] something you have a lot
[00:33:21] you definitely have to
[00:33:22] be like hey you know
[00:33:23] I'm doing this early
[00:33:24] enough that you can
[00:33:25] leave me.
[00:33:26] Yeah.
[00:33:26] And there's no big deal
[00:33:27] but.
[00:33:27] I laugh in my sleep
[00:33:28] sometimes.
[00:33:29] Well you hang out with
[00:33:30] me a lot.
[00:33:30] You're still processing
[00:33:31] in the end of the night.
[00:33:33] All the jokes that I
[00:33:33] missed.
[00:33:34] Yeah.
[00:33:35] So Amy says there were
[00:33:36] a few nights where I did
[00:33:37] notice him shaking
[00:33:38] slightly in his sleep
[00:33:39] and I'd wake him up.
[00:33:40] This was tough.
[00:33:41] He did not come out of
[00:33:42] these easily and would
[00:33:43] usually take a minute to
[00:33:44] get up while normally
[00:33:45] he was easy to wake.
[00:33:46] One night however as I
[00:33:48] sat up in bed and tried
[00:33:49] to wake him up I saw
[00:33:50] this black figure at
[00:33:51] the opposite corner of
[00:33:52] the room and felt
[00:33:53] scared.
[00:33:54] I then felt myself
[00:33:55] thrown back down to the
[00:33:56] bed and felt hands
[00:33:57] around my throat and I
[00:33:58] couldn't breathe.
[00:33:59] As soon as I was
[00:34:00] thrown down Greg was
[00:34:01] able to get up.
[00:34:02] He saw me struggling in
[00:34:04] bed and didn't know what
[00:34:04] was wrong or what to do
[00:34:05] when he grabbed my arms
[00:34:06] and started shaking me.
[00:34:08] After a few seconds I
[00:34:09] felt the other set of
[00:34:10] hands leave me and I
[00:34:11] could breathe and sit
[00:34:12] up in bed again.
[00:34:13] I explained to Greg what
[00:34:14] I saw and what happened
[00:34:15] to me and I pointed to
[00:34:16] the corner where the
[00:34:16] shadow man was still
[00:34:17] standing even with
[00:34:19] both of us still awake.
[00:34:20] Greg told me that was
[00:34:21] what he always saw when
[00:34:22] he had his sleep
[00:34:23] paralysis moments and
[00:34:24] that's where he saw
[00:34:25] it standing.
[00:34:25] While he could not
[00:34:27] see it while he was
[00:34:27] awake I could still see
[00:34:29] it there some nights as
[00:34:30] he slept.
[00:34:30] It never bothered me
[00:34:31] again but continued to
[00:34:32] haunt him even after we
[00:34:34] separated.
[00:34:34] I've heard these things
[00:34:36] referred to as sleep
[00:34:37] paralysis demons and
[00:34:38] seeing as it did not
[00:34:39] just affect him I've
[00:34:40] always felt like the
[00:34:41] demon term might be
[00:34:42] accurate or maybe
[00:34:43] instead of dealing
[00:34:44] with sleep paralysis in
[00:34:45] the same way other
[00:34:46] people had maybe his
[00:34:47] actually was brought
[00:34:48] on by something that
[00:34:49] was really there.
[00:34:50] Wow yeah because it
[00:34:51] transferred at least a
[00:34:53] couple times to her.
[00:34:54] Yeah.
[00:34:54] As scary as it was to
[00:34:56] experience that especially
[00:34:57] there's a physical
[00:34:58] component to it and I do
[00:34:59] like the actually I do
[00:35:00] like the imagery of the
[00:35:02] written imagery of like
[00:35:03] the first set of hands
[00:35:05] gave way to the second
[00:35:05] set of hands but it
[00:35:07] must have been a little
[00:35:08] nice for her to be like
[00:35:09] see what I got a
[00:35:10] fucking deal with every
[00:35:10] night have him do it
[00:35:12] once try and wake her
[00:35:13] up get her out of some
[00:35:13] bullshit.
[00:35:14] So nice for him.
[00:35:16] No no for her who's
[00:35:18] like every night has to
[00:35:18] be like shut the fuck up
[00:35:19] you're screaming or
[00:35:20] whatever.
[00:35:20] And so do you not
[00:35:22] understand what I'm
[00:35:22] saying?
[00:35:23] Well I feel like like
[00:35:24] it's a wild inconvenience
[00:35:25] for the partner which
[00:35:26] is why the person felt
[00:35:27] that they had to warn
[00:35:28] them about it.
[00:35:29] Yes.
[00:35:29] And so now it's like hey
[00:35:30] see what I have to deal
[00:35:31] with all the time.
[00:35:31] Right right.
[00:35:32] Yeah I mean I guess I
[00:35:33] guess that's good for
[00:35:34] her.
[00:35:35] No I know I mean it's
[00:35:36] clearly bad for everybody
[00:35:36] I don't even know I
[00:35:37] don't even know I'm
[00:35:38] getting at just next
[00:35:39] go to the next story.
[00:35:40] Next email the hat
[00:35:41] man broke my toe shit
[00:35:43] from Luke sup scaredy
[00:35:45] cats sorry I'm late to
[00:35:46] the game but I heard
[00:35:47] in episode two that you
[00:35:48] might do another hat
[00:35:49] man segment so here
[00:35:50] we are.
[00:35:50] Yeah man hope you're
[00:35:51] still listening a year
[00:35:52] later because it's
[00:35:53] coming out baby.
[00:35:54] Yeah so my story of the
[00:35:55] hat man is pretty funny
[00:35:56] if you're into
[00:35:57] schadenfreude.
[00:35:58] I was sleeping with
[00:35:59] my girlfriend at the
[00:36:00] time.
[00:36:00] It's important to note
[00:36:01] that I was sleeping on
[00:36:02] the side of the bed that
[00:36:03] was against the wall.
[00:36:04] I wake up go to
[00:36:05] roll over but I can't
[00:36:06] move.
[00:36:07] I turn my eyes as much
[00:36:08] as I can and I see a
[00:36:09] large black figure
[00:36:10] standing next to my bed
[00:36:11] staring at my
[00:36:12] girlfriend.
[00:36:13] Still frozen I try to
[00:36:14] devise a plan on how
[00:36:16] my 25 year old 150
[00:36:17] pound body was going to
[00:36:19] kick this massive
[00:36:19] thing's ass because I
[00:36:21] have the hubris of a
[00:36:22] chihuahua on cocaine.
[00:36:23] Oh wow.
[00:36:24] Near my feet was a
[00:36:25] metal stool and my left
[00:36:26] arm was behind my
[00:36:27] pillow and under my
[00:36:28] head.
[00:36:28] Plan made.
[00:36:29] Okay.
[00:36:30] I don't see it but
[00:36:30] okay.
[00:36:32] Also I knew they were
[00:36:33] going to be 25 because
[00:36:34] I'm like you're still
[00:36:34] sleeping against the
[00:36:35] wall?
[00:36:35] I keep struggling to
[00:36:37] I haven't had like the
[00:36:38] bed against the wall in a
[00:36:39] couple years.
[00:36:39] I keep struggling to
[00:36:40] enact my plan that took
[00:36:41] four seconds to make and
[00:36:42] start moving but I'm just
[00:36:43] kind of shifting a little
[00:36:44] while still in paralysis.
[00:36:46] It was then when the
[00:36:47] massive black figure raised
[00:36:48] its arms above its head
[00:36:50] still staring at her the
[00:36:51] girlfriend like it was
[00:36:52] about to attack.
[00:36:54] Apparently that was
[00:36:55] enough to get me going.
[00:36:56] Shit dude.
[00:36:56] With my left arm I
[00:36:57] sling my pillow at it to
[00:36:59] distract it.
[00:36:59] It quickly hits it out of
[00:37:00] the way but that was
[00:37:01] enough time for me to
[00:37:02] slide my foot down under
[00:37:03] the stool and send it
[00:37:04] hurtling towards its head.
[00:37:05] Whoa.
[00:37:06] It blocks it like that
[00:37:07] woman from Waffle House.
[00:37:09] Okay I mean it's probably
[00:37:09] a YouTube video.
[00:37:10] I think a viral video.
[00:37:11] Yeah.
[00:37:11] I push off my
[00:37:13] girlfriend's ass with my
[00:37:14] left hand scaring the
[00:37:15] absolute shit out of her
[00:37:16] by this point and leap
[00:37:18] forward to punch this
[00:37:19] eldritch bitch right in
[00:37:20] its glass jaw.
[00:37:21] Wow.
[00:37:21] That's when it
[00:37:22] disappears.
[00:37:23] My would-be hero's
[00:37:24] punch goes nowhere.
[00:37:25] I slam my face in the
[00:37:26] hardwood floor collapse
[00:37:27] out of the stool completely
[00:37:28] naked.
[00:37:29] Oh my god.
[00:37:30] Everyone knows I don't
[00:37:30] sleep naked so that's
[00:37:32] why.
[00:37:33] Realizing my foot was
[00:37:34] out of order because a
[00:37:35] bar from the stool
[00:37:35] had broken my toe and
[00:37:37] once I finally managed to
[00:37:38] free myself from the
[00:37:39] stool I turn around see
[00:37:40] my girlfriend looking at
[00:37:41] me like I'm a goddamn
[00:37:42] madman not even realizing
[00:37:44] I just fought a fucking
[00:37:45] demon for her.
[00:37:46] Wow.
[00:37:47] Love the pod by the way.
[00:37:48] If you use my segment
[00:37:49] and wouldn't mind
[00:37:49] shouting out my podcast
[00:37:51] Cryptid Cocktail Party
[00:37:52] that would be much
[00:37:52] appreciated.
[00:37:54] All right guys this is
[00:37:54] from one of the
[00:37:55] creators hosts unclear of
[00:37:57] Cryptid Cocktail
[00:37:58] Parties.
[00:37:59] One party?
[00:38:00] Party or parties?
[00:38:00] Party.
[00:38:01] From Cryptid Cocktail
[00:38:02] Party and you know what?
[00:38:04] It's better that we've
[00:38:05] waited till now to read
[00:38:06] this because we have a
[00:38:07] bigger audience now than
[00:38:08] we did.
[00:38:09] So we will check in and
[00:38:10] make sure it's not like
[00:38:11] just much of neo-nazis or
[00:38:12] anything but
[00:38:13] I don't I don't it
[00:38:15] doesn't sound like it.
[00:38:17] One nice thing about Ed
[00:38:18] falling behind on this
[00:38:19] hat man special is that he
[00:38:21] was able to check out
[00:38:21] Cryptid Cocktail Party and
[00:38:23] thought they were a lot of
[00:38:24] fun and don't seem like
[00:38:25] neo-nazis from what he has
[00:38:27] heard so far.
[00:38:29] So I guess the moral of
[00:38:30] this story is you know
[00:38:32] not all heroes wear capes
[00:38:33] this case they wear
[00:38:34] nothing and and sometimes
[00:38:37] you know you got you do a
[00:38:38] good deed you know you put
[00:38:39] money in the tip jar when
[00:38:40] no one's looking you know
[00:38:42] and it sucks because you
[00:38:43] want to be recognized for
[00:38:44] that but yeah.
[00:38:45] You know what Luke I hope
[00:38:45] you and your girlfriend
[00:38:46] are still together and I
[00:38:47] hope when she hears this
[00:38:48] story on the air I assume
[00:38:51] you told it to her when
[00:38:52] it happened but now the
[00:38:54] whole world knows that
[00:38:54] you're a hero.
[00:38:55] And if you're not
[00:38:56] together anymore you can
[00:38:57] send her this and see
[00:38:57] like see what you're
[00:38:58] missing.
[00:38:59] All right next email.
[00:39:01] So Laura sends us a
[00:39:03] smattering of Hatman
[00:39:04] historic records which
[00:39:06] thank you Laura for
[00:39:07] sending this email.
[00:39:08] It's not we're not going
[00:39:08] to read the email because
[00:39:09] it's really just a list of
[00:39:11] links that she found of
[00:39:13] Hatman and references to
[00:39:15] sleep paralysis which is
[00:39:17] super fascinating and
[00:39:18] we're going to go through
[00:39:19] this.
[00:39:20] Probably something Chris
[00:39:21] should have had before we
[00:39:21] wrote the episode.
[00:39:24] Well hers seems yeah hers
[00:39:25] seems much more complete
[00:39:27] than mine but yes this is
[00:39:30] really interesting thank you
[00:39:31] for sending it but there's
[00:39:32] not too much here to read
[00:39:33] it's more something we need
[00:39:35] to look into.
[00:39:36] So we're getting back to
[00:39:37] you now with a thank you.
[00:39:38] Thank you.
[00:39:40] So Hatman from Joshua
[00:39:42] good evening and thank you
[00:39:44] for a great new podcast to
[00:39:45] listen to.
[00:39:46] I'm only two-thirds through
[00:39:47] the episode but wanted to
[00:39:48] relay some information on
[00:39:50] Hatman.
[00:39:50] I love this by the way I'm
[00:39:51] going to interrupt you the way
[00:39:52] he's interrupted his own
[00:39:53] enjoyment of the podcast
[00:39:54] where the number of people
[00:39:56] who reach in or reach out
[00:39:58] or go to DMs or whatever
[00:39:59] who are like listen I'm at
[00:40:01] this part of the podcast
[00:40:01] and I'm like pretty crazy
[00:40:03] that people just feel so
[00:40:05] compelled to just stop what
[00:40:07] they're doing at that
[00:40:08] moment look up our social
[00:40:09] media look up our stuff and
[00:40:10] reach out like I love it
[00:40:12] but then also sometimes
[00:40:13] it's like they ask a
[00:40:14] question or have this idea
[00:40:15] which is answered 15
[00:40:16] minutes later in the
[00:40:17] episode.
[00:40:18] So I'm happy that people do
[00:40:20] it but sometimes I might be
[00:40:20] like hey you know you can
[00:40:21] save some time by just
[00:40:22] listening a couple more
[00:40:23] minutes.
[00:40:24] Well this isn't one of
[00:40:24] those.
[00:40:25] No no I get it.
[00:40:26] Josh has some good ideas
[00:40:27] here.
[00:40:28] He says Disneyland started
[00:40:30] working on the Haunted
[00:40:31] Mansion in 1951 if I read
[00:40:33] correctly and it did not
[00:40:34] open until 1969.
[00:40:36] Somewhere in between those
[00:40:38] years the Hatbox Ghost was
[00:40:39] created for the ride.
[00:40:41] 51 to 69?
[00:40:42] Yeah.
[00:40:42] You know we went to the
[00:40:43] moon during that time
[00:40:45] period and faster.
[00:40:46] I mean I know Haunted
[00:40:47] Mansion took a while that
[00:40:49] seems like a really long
[00:40:50] period of time but that it
[00:40:51] could be accurate.
[00:40:52] The Hatbox Ghost is cool.
[00:40:53] I mean I have a great
[00:40:54] sweatshirt from that.
[00:40:55] He says it can't be a
[00:40:56] coincidence that this evil
[00:40:57] entity on the ride and the
[00:40:59] Hatman look so similar.
[00:41:00] I'm sure he must be based on
[00:41:01] the Hatman lore meaning it
[00:41:03] existed before the 1960s
[00:41:05] most likely.
[00:41:05] Interesting theory.
[00:41:06] Maybe the old lady on
[00:41:08] Reddit wasn't under the
[00:41:09] influence of Benadryl
[00:41:10] after all or maybe she was.
[00:41:13] Love the show.
[00:41:14] Please thank Scott and
[00:41:15] Forrest for me for finding
[00:41:16] younger versions of
[00:41:17] themselves to host an
[00:41:19] engaging funny and
[00:41:20] informed podcast.
[00:41:21] Hey all right.
[00:41:21] All right.
[00:41:22] Looking forward to many
[00:41:23] more episodes.
[00:41:23] Finally I'd love to hear
[00:41:25] you all discuss Bob Lazar on
[00:41:26] a future episode.
[00:41:27] Ooh we might.
[00:41:29] He's got a crazy story.
[00:41:32] Take care and stay off the
[00:41:34] DPH DHP.
[00:41:36] Because we fucked it up
[00:41:37] in the middle of the
[00:41:37] episode.
[00:41:38] Oh right.
[00:41:39] Remember we did it one way
[00:41:40] the wrong for a while and
[00:41:41] then fixed it.
[00:41:42] All right Josh thank you
[00:41:43] very much for your Hatman
[00:41:45] email.
[00:41:45] That's actually a really
[00:41:46] good it's a good catch that
[00:41:48] Hatbox Ghost maybe has its
[00:41:50] roots in Hatman lore.
[00:41:52] Yeah it's a great it's a
[00:41:53] great theory.
[00:41:54] 1970s Hatman from John.
[00:41:56] Gentlemen I really enjoyed
[00:41:58] your first episode and
[00:41:59] figured I'd write in with a
[00:42:00] secondhand Hatman story from
[00:42:01] the 70s.
[00:42:02] For some background I
[00:42:03] consider myself an open
[00:42:04] minded skeptic.
[00:42:05] I find stories of the
[00:42:06] paranormal and supernatural
[00:42:08] fascinating and listen to a
[00:42:09] fair number of such
[00:42:10] podcasts during my commute
[00:42:12] to and from work.
[00:42:13] I've never really had any
[00:42:14] personal experiences but
[00:42:15] I'm open to the concept to
[00:42:17] completely believe that there
[00:42:18] are things in this world that
[00:42:19] we simply don't know and
[00:42:20] probably can't understand.
[00:42:22] Anyhow I was at a work
[00:42:23] conference a few months ago.
[00:42:24] After one of the training
[00:42:26] days I met up with a few
[00:42:27] good folks that I'd met
[00:42:27] during the conference.
[00:42:29] We were hanging out at the
[00:42:30] hotel pool and having a few
[00:42:31] drinks.
[00:42:31] I don't recall how we got on
[00:42:33] the topic but me and one of
[00:42:34] the guys began talking about
[00:42:35] paranormal experiences and
[00:42:37] this guy had a lot of them.
[00:42:38] Now this guy seemed pretty
[00:42:39] squared away but I
[00:42:40] acknowledged that I'd only
[00:42:41] met him a couple days
[00:42:42] prior so a few grains of
[00:42:43] salt are warranted.
[00:42:44] On the other hand he
[00:42:45] showed me a few videos from
[00:42:47] one of his experiences that
[00:42:48] were pretty compelling and
[00:42:49] backed at least one of his
[00:42:50] claims.
[00:42:51] After showing me the videos
[00:42:53] from one of his modern
[00:42:54] experiences the guy tells me
[00:42:56] that he had been having
[00:42:57] experiences for most of his
[00:42:58] life.
[00:42:59] This guy is in his 50s and
[00:43:01] told me about growing up in
[00:43:02] South Central LA in the
[00:43:04] 1970s.
[00:43:04] I won't try to recall all the
[00:43:06] details it's not my story
[00:43:07] after all and I'd probably
[00:43:09] butcher them.
[00:43:09] The broad strokes though were
[00:43:11] that the guy would routinely
[00:43:12] see a shadow person in his
[00:43:14] room at night.
[00:43:15] He went on to describe the
[00:43:16] shadow person and described
[00:43:18] that it was clearly
[00:43:18] masculine had a wide flat
[00:43:20] brimmed hat and some sort of
[00:43:21] large jacket think trench coat
[00:43:24] or duster.
[00:43:25] As the guy talked through his
[00:43:26] experiences he never once
[00:43:28] used the term hat man and
[00:43:29] only referred to him as a
[00:43:30] shadow person.
[00:43:32] When he was done with his
[00:43:33] story I made a comment along
[00:43:34] the lines of so you saw the
[00:43:36] hat man.
[00:43:36] He was confused and had never
[00:43:38] heard the term before.
[00:43:39] Interesting.
[00:43:40] I then explained what I've
[00:43:41] learned through the last few
[00:43:42] years of listening to podcasts
[00:43:43] about the hat man phenomenon.
[00:43:45] It's a little bit like we
[00:43:46] always say on the show it's
[00:43:47] the square and rectangle like
[00:43:48] not all hat men are shadow
[00:43:49] people but all shadow but you
[00:43:50] know whatever it is.
[00:43:51] Yeah.
[00:43:52] This guy had never heard of the
[00:43:53] hat man and knew nothing about
[00:43:54] it.
[00:43:55] He'd heard of shadow people
[00:43:56] before and just assumed that
[00:43:57] this particular shadow
[00:43:58] person that visited him as a
[00:43:59] kid had a hat on.
[00:44:01] Like I said this story is
[00:44:02] secondhand from a person I met
[00:44:03] several days prior.
[00:44:04] That said between his videos
[00:44:06] seeming genuine shock upon
[00:44:08] learning about hat man and
[00:44:09] general demeanor I got the
[00:44:11] sense that he was honestly
[00:44:12] recounting an experience to
[00:44:13] me.
[00:44:14] While this story is not pre-1953
[00:44:16] it is still from the mid-1970s
[00:44:18] and I figured you'd find it
[00:44:19] mildly interesting.
[00:44:21] I find it very interesting.
[00:44:22] I find it interesting.
[00:44:23] I'd like to know what these
[00:44:23] videos are.
[00:44:24] Are they like of hat man or
[00:44:25] there's other weird wacky
[00:44:27] paranormal things?
[00:44:28] I mean I it kind of sounds
[00:44:29] like other paranormal things.
[00:44:31] He showed me a few videos from
[00:44:33] one of his experiences that
[00:44:34] were pretty compelling and
[00:44:35] backed at least one of his
[00:44:36] claims.
[00:44:37] Okay gotcha.
[00:44:37] So it wasn't necessarily
[00:44:38] hat man.
[00:44:38] Yeah.
[00:44:39] I don't know if anyone's
[00:44:40] ever taken a video of hat
[00:44:41] man.
[00:44:41] We can be the first.
[00:44:42] I know.
[00:44:43] Let's get that Benadryl
[00:44:44] flowing.
[00:44:45] That'll be a bonus episode.
[00:44:47] All right.
[00:44:47] Thank you John.
[00:44:48] Thank you for that email.
[00:44:49] That is a that is a it's I
[00:44:51] feel like it's kind of rare to
[00:44:53] hear urban hat man stories
[00:44:55] like they're usually like I
[00:44:57] was in a farmhouse in
[00:44:58] Illinois not in the middle of
[00:44:59] Los Angeles.
[00:45:00] Yeah where it's like you imagine
[00:45:02] it's it's deathly quiet where
[00:45:03] people experience this and they
[00:45:05] wake up and it's just them and
[00:45:06] hat man here.
[00:45:07] It would be like helicopters
[00:45:08] going over.
[00:45:09] Although Stephanie said she was
[00:45:10] from L.A. with the now is a
[00:45:12] whole big crazy story.
[00:45:13] No I feel bad because like she
[00:45:15] when as soon as she said she's
[00:45:16] in L.A.
[00:45:17] I'm like man it could have
[00:45:17] actually been faster for us to
[00:45:19] knock on everyone's door and
[00:45:20] answer in person than
[00:45:22] necessarily waiting a year to
[00:45:23] reply to her.
[00:45:24] But yeah.
[00:45:25] So L.A. is it's got shit going.
[00:45:28] Central.
[00:45:28] It's hat man central.
[00:45:29] Annie writes in sleep paralysis
[00:45:32] and demons on my chest is her
[00:45:34] email.
[00:45:35] Hey guys just checked out your
[00:45:36] first episode on the hat man
[00:45:37] and sleep paralysis and was
[00:45:38] immediately hooked.
[00:45:39] I enjoyed it and since I have a
[00:45:41] couple experiences of my own
[00:45:42] in this realm I thought I'd
[00:45:43] share them with you.
[00:45:44] It's interesting people are
[00:45:45] like I'm instantly hooked on the
[00:45:46] show.
[00:45:47] We never really did a hat man
[00:45:48] style episode again with like
[00:45:49] music and like in our
[00:45:51] artistry now we've I like where
[00:45:53] we've what we do now because I
[00:45:55] felt like maybe I was just aping or
[00:45:57] mimicking how other other shows
[00:45:58] paranormal podcast did things
[00:46:00] and I feel like what we do is
[00:46:01] different now and it's great.
[00:46:02] But yeah it is interesting if
[00:46:03] people were like by episode
[00:46:04] three we're like what the fuck
[00:46:05] the thing I fell in love with
[00:46:06] isn't the thing.
[00:46:07] Yeah well.
[00:46:07] Oh well no but she's a year ago
[00:46:09] so hopefully they still exist.
[00:46:10] Yeah we don't know these people
[00:46:11] I'm assuming they all still
[00:46:12] listen to us.
[00:46:13] I hope so.
[00:46:14] What sparked my interest right
[00:46:15] away was your mention of the
[00:46:16] nightmare painting from the
[00:46:18] 1700s.
[00:46:18] I was listening to the show and
[00:46:20] popped over to Google to look
[00:46:21] at that painting and my jaw
[00:46:22] nearly dropped to the floor.
[00:46:24] I have seen that creature on my
[00:46:26] own chest.
[00:46:27] Sorry to interrupt but yeah
[00:46:28] that's it's we did not have
[00:46:30] show notes back then this
[00:46:31] person had to take it upon
[00:46:32] themselves.
[00:46:32] Yes.
[00:46:33] To go and find it.
[00:46:34] I'm glad she did because
[00:46:35] that's fucking really scary
[00:46:37] and really cool that she
[00:46:39] googled a painting from the
[00:46:40] 1700s and went I've seen
[00:46:41] that thing.
[00:46:42] That's fucking crazy.
[00:46:43] Yeah.
[00:46:43] I was living in a super
[00:46:45] creepy house at the time
[00:46:46] something sinister was in
[00:46:47] that house and I felt plagued
[00:46:49] by creepy feelings and bad
[00:46:50] dreams nearly every night I
[00:46:51] lived there.
[00:46:52] But one night in particular I
[00:46:53] had what we can call an
[00:46:55] episode.
[00:46:55] I don't think it was sleep
[00:46:57] paralysis as I actually left
[00:46:58] my body in the same way people
[00:47:00] describe NDEs.
[00:47:01] I could see my body from a
[00:47:02] distance by NDE she means
[00:47:05] near-death experience.
[00:47:06] So I fell asleep like any
[00:47:07] other night but when I woke
[00:47:09] up I was standing on my front
[00:47:10] porch.
[00:47:11] I realized there was a crack in
[00:47:13] our blinds where two of the
[00:47:14] plastic blinds had stuck
[00:47:15] together and peeked inside my
[00:47:16] bedroom.
[00:47:17] I could actually see my own
[00:47:19] body asleep in the bed but the
[00:47:21] disturbing part was sitting on
[00:47:22] top of my chest with that
[00:47:23] creature from the nightmare
[00:47:25] painting.
[00:47:25] Wow.
[00:47:26] I mean it was exactly the
[00:47:27] same size and shape only mine
[00:47:29] was totally black.
[00:47:30] I remember its pointed eared
[00:47:31] head turning to look at me
[00:47:33] looking at me looking at it.
[00:47:35] So this is a it's like a
[00:47:36] shadow person basically a
[00:47:37] little yeah.
[00:47:38] Shadow person.
[00:47:40] And while it didn't have a
[00:47:40] face it was definitely looking
[00:47:42] back at me and I could feel
[00:47:43] the energy.
[00:47:44] It was a taunting feeling like
[00:47:45] I could do anything to you
[00:47:46] right now.
[00:47:46] When I woke up I immediately
[00:47:48] looked at the window and
[00:47:49] there was indeed that same
[00:47:50] crack in the blinds.
[00:47:51] I moved away from that house
[00:47:52] and have mostly have been
[00:47:54] demon bad vibes bad juju free
[00:47:56] since except story two.
[00:47:58] The number one item on my
[00:48:00] fear tier would be the nun from
[00:48:01] the conjuring movies.
[00:48:03] Oh wow.
[00:48:03] Okay.
[00:48:03] The one and only scary event
[00:48:05] I've experienced in my current
[00:48:06] home seemed based on that but
[00:48:08] after listening to your
[00:48:09] episode I wonder if I had a
[00:48:10] visit from the hat man.
[00:48:11] Oh.
[00:48:12] Where's this going?
[00:48:13] I was having a dream where I
[00:48:15] was surrounded by people
[00:48:16] dressed as the nun and when I
[00:48:17] woke from that dream I could
[00:48:19] see my body the room just like I
[00:48:21] had woken up but it was
[00:48:22] presumably having sleep
[00:48:23] paralysis.
[00:48:24] All of a sudden a voice
[00:48:25] whispers in my ear there she
[00:48:27] is presumably the nun and
[00:48:30] because I was laying on my
[00:48:31] back with my head tilted
[00:48:32] towards the floor all I could
[00:48:33] see was big black boots and a
[00:48:35] trench coat walk up about a
[00:48:36] foot from my face.
[00:48:37] I couldn't move or look up to
[00:48:39] see the rest of the creature
[00:48:40] but I had a primitive fear come
[00:48:41] over me.
[00:48:42] Somehow I willed myself awake
[00:48:44] which involved a full body
[00:48:45] vibration so strong I could feel
[00:48:47] my eyeballs vibrating.
[00:48:49] Wow.
[00:48:49] Wow.
[00:48:49] And then poof I was awake in the
[00:48:51] exact same position but the
[00:48:52] apparition was gone.
[00:48:53] If you've made it this far
[00:48:55] thanks for reading I also never
[00:48:56] sleep on my back anymore.
[00:48:58] Interesting.
[00:48:59] Annie.
[00:49:00] Damn.
[00:49:01] Yeah.
[00:49:02] I like a couple things I mean any
[00:49:04] kind of large booted trench coat
[00:49:06] wearing anything walking up to
[00:49:08] your bed is definitely cause for
[00:49:10] concern.
[00:49:11] But I like the kind of imagery of
[00:49:14] kind of forcing yourself out of a
[00:49:16] different dimension almost like
[00:49:19] molecularly shifting.
[00:49:21] Yeah I have to vibrate my way out
[00:49:23] of whatever this is.
[00:49:24] Yeah.
[00:49:25] Wild.
[00:49:25] Woo.
[00:49:26] I really like the seeing herself
[00:49:28] through the cracked blinds.
[00:49:30] That is so creepy.
[00:49:32] Really interesting cause it's um yeah
[00:49:34] you've moved yourself out like I
[00:49:36] don't know you're still within that
[00:49:37] space like you're you're looking at
[00:49:39] yourself and it's an out of body
[00:49:40] experience but like weirdly your
[00:49:42] body went just a little too far.
[00:49:44] Yeah.
[00:49:44] Yeah.
[00:49:44] Yeah.
[00:49:45] And you're like shit I'm behind a
[00:49:45] wall now.
[00:49:46] Yeah.
[00:49:47] I'm in uh I'm interstellaring.
[00:49:49] Yeah.
[00:49:50] Yeah.
[00:49:51] All right this next email this next
[00:49:53] hat man story is from William.
[00:49:57] A hat man follow-up is the title of
[00:49:59] the email and William says hi guys
[00:50:01] first time listener long time
[00:50:03] emailer.
[00:50:04] So I guess just he means he's been
[00:50:05] emailing people for a long time not
[00:50:07] us.
[00:50:08] Well if it's a hat man story then
[00:50:09] there's not much to listen to on our
[00:50:11] side.
[00:50:11] I listened to your hat man episode
[00:50:13] the other day and there were so many
[00:50:14] weird coincidences with my experience
[00:50:16] that I had to write in.
[00:50:17] I've never written an email to a
[00:50:19] podcast so you should be proud you
[00:50:20] elicited such a profound call to
[00:50:22] action.
[00:50:23] Oh wow unless he's like your podcast is
[00:50:25] so similar to my story that I'm suing
[00:50:27] you.
[00:50:27] Well let's pick what it is Billy.
[00:50:29] Are you a long time emailer or you've
[00:50:31] never written an email to a podcast
[00:50:33] before.
[00:50:34] That's true he's been he's been
[00:50:35] emailing for a long time but just a
[00:50:36] lot of pedestrian stupid shit.
[00:50:38] Yeah.
[00:50:38] William says I saw the hat man at my
[00:50:40] grandma's house in South Carolina when
[00:50:42] I was five or six.
[00:50:44] This would have been in the 95 to 96
[00:50:46] window.
[00:50:46] We were never a Benadryl family so I
[00:50:49] never tried it at this point
[00:50:50] recreationally or otherwise.
[00:50:53] I do like the idea of that's a real
[00:50:56] thing like like you know not to bring
[00:50:58] Benadryl into this house.
[00:50:59] Like the family is staunch not a
[00:51:02] Benadryl family.
[00:51:03] We're just like you know this house is
[00:51:04] generic only.
[00:51:05] My house was I don't think we we
[00:51:08] weren't really a Benadryl family if we
[00:51:09] had stuffy noses my dad would
[00:51:11] microwave a glass of cognac and then
[00:51:13] we would inhale it and that that
[00:51:16] shit will rip right through your
[00:51:17] sinuses.
[00:51:18] Oh my God is that real.
[00:51:19] Does the microwave get it hot enough
[00:51:21] that it creates steam.
[00:51:22] I guess or just because it's alcohol
[00:51:24] maybe like there's those there was
[00:51:26] never steam coming off of it but
[00:51:27] maybe I guess the hot alcohol just
[00:51:29] you would like you'd like and it
[00:51:32] would get in your nose it would burn.
[00:51:34] Generic cognac too.
[00:51:36] It's the weirdest.
[00:51:36] Yeah.
[00:51:37] Oh God yes CVS CVS brand cognac.
[00:51:40] Is that did you notice that was
[00:51:41] weird like when you moved to Los
[00:51:42] Angeles when I came to California
[00:51:44] was the first time I ever saw like
[00:51:45] alcohol in a CVS where you saw like
[00:51:47] you can go buy like a handle of
[00:51:49] something at the pharmacy.
[00:51:50] Yeah.
[00:51:50] It's pretty wild.
[00:51:51] But anyway you said this guy's
[00:51:52] family were were anti paying full
[00:51:54] price.
[00:51:55] Yeah we were never a Benadryl family
[00:51:57] so I'd never tried it at this point
[00:51:58] recreationally or otherwise.
[00:52:00] It was a fun treat to sleep in a
[00:52:02] sleeping bag on the floor of my
[00:52:03] grandma's bedroom as a child for
[00:52:04] some reason.
[00:52:05] This night I was sleeping with my
[00:52:07] head down at the corner of the
[00:52:09] foot of her bed and I woke up to
[00:52:10] see a figure walk into the room
[00:52:12] towards the other corner of her
[00:52:13] bed.
[00:52:14] The figure was solid black had a
[00:52:16] large brimmed hat and a long black
[00:52:18] trench coat.
[00:52:19] The description you guys gave in the
[00:52:21] podcast made it sound like it was
[00:52:22] the attire of a door-to-door
[00:52:23] salesman or something similar from
[00:52:25] the 40s.
[00:52:26] But this guy this is interesting.
[00:52:27] This guy gave off a real cowboy
[00:52:29] vibe.
[00:52:30] Huh.
[00:52:30] That's the biggest point of my
[00:52:32] feedback.
[00:52:33] This guy's not some fucking dork.
[00:52:35] He was this gunslinger from the
[00:52:36] Wild West.
[00:52:37] Fucking Marlboro man was like
[00:52:39] hey you got you got room for a
[00:52:40] carton of cigarettes in that
[00:52:41] sleeping bag.
[00:52:42] Hat man if you need someone to
[00:52:43] help write your autobiography I
[00:52:45] think William's your man here.
[00:52:47] Yeah.
[00:52:47] He knows how to make you sound
[00:52:48] good.
[00:52:49] He took a few silent steps into
[00:52:51] the room leaned up against the
[00:52:52] four poster bed frame and looked
[00:52:54] down at me.
[00:52:55] I guess he's not wearing spurs this
[00:52:56] cowboy.
[00:52:57] No.
[00:52:57] Quiet ass little shoe taps here.
[00:52:59] I'm terrified staring up at this
[00:53:01] large completely black figure and
[00:53:03] then he disappears.
[00:53:04] I don't recall having sleep
[00:53:06] paralysis during this event because
[00:53:07] my instinct was to stay completely
[00:53:09] still anyway.
[00:53:10] I've had sleep paralysis as an
[00:53:12] adult once but had no visual
[00:53:13] experiences.
[00:53:15] After a few minutes of me laying
[00:53:16] there in shock I got out of my
[00:53:17] sleeping bag and walked through the
[00:53:19] creepy ass house to my parents
[00:53:20] room.
[00:53:20] I didn't tell them for a few days
[00:53:22] but when I did they took me
[00:53:23] seriously but also kind of
[00:53:25] played it off so I wouldn't
[00:53:26] become some weirdo.
[00:53:27] Oh good.
[00:53:28] I was obsessed with the men in
[00:53:29] black movie as a child.
[00:53:31] I had the CD of the soundtrack so
[00:53:33] you could say I was a fan.
[00:53:36] This person's exactly our age by
[00:53:38] the way.
[00:53:38] I thought your parents didn't want
[00:53:39] you to become a weirdo.
[00:53:40] No way.
[00:53:41] Well I guess everybody had the men
[00:53:43] in black soundtrack.
[00:53:44] It was a monoculture.
[00:53:45] Yeah.
[00:53:46] Also hats off.
[00:53:48] You want to know a weirdo men in
[00:53:49] black soundtrack story.
[00:53:50] Brief aside but I just I just talk
[00:53:54] shit on this guy so I have to
[00:53:55] follow up by admitting how much
[00:53:56] of a loser I was.
[00:53:58] When I was in like fourth or fifth
[00:53:59] grade whenever that movie came out
[00:54:01] I was on a rec soccer team and we
[00:54:03] were we had black jerseys like
[00:54:06] everyone was a different color team
[00:54:07] there was like red blue green we
[00:54:09] were the black team and I had the
[00:54:12] bright idea.
[00:54:13] One of the first CDs I ever had was
[00:54:15] jock jams and so I was like yeah
[00:54:17] jock jams like when you score a
[00:54:19] goal you should play jock jams.
[00:54:22] Yeah.
[00:54:23] So I had the men in black CD and
[00:54:26] every time we scored a goal I
[00:54:27] brought a boom box and I asked I
[00:54:29] don't know maybe the coach or
[00:54:30] somebody to play here come the men
[00:54:32] in black every time we scored a
[00:54:34] goal.
[00:54:34] But you never scored a goal so it
[00:54:36] just silence sat over the stadium.
[00:54:38] No we scored but everybody thought
[00:54:41] that it was a really loser move to
[00:54:44] play the men in black song.
[00:54:46] That's the like here come the men
[00:54:47] in black that one.
[00:54:48] Yeah and then my team immediately
[00:54:50] when people started like making fun
[00:54:52] of them they were like what's that
[00:54:53] he did it this kid so everybody
[00:54:55] knew it was me.
[00:54:56] And then you're like I don't
[00:54:57] understand like the but the the
[00:54:59] good guys dress in black remember
[00:55:01] that everyone's like get the fuck
[00:55:03] out of here idiot.
[00:55:04] Anyway yeah.
[00:55:05] Sorry.
[00:55:06] Sorry we've totally derailed this
[00:55:07] guy's story.
[00:55:08] So William tells us he had the CD
[00:55:10] of the soundtrack you could say I
[00:55:11] was a fan.
[00:55:12] This happened before that movie and
[00:55:14] I wouldn't describe the experience
[00:55:15] to be anything like that or
[00:55:17] historical men in black figures
[00:55:18] have come to learn about.
[00:55:19] When the figure walked to the room
[00:55:21] it was like he was walking on an
[00:55:22] airport moving walkway so he was
[00:55:24] walking at a normal pace but moving
[00:55:26] slightly faster.
[00:55:27] When I would watch Shaggy walk.
[00:55:29] Jamiroquied into the room.
[00:55:29] What's that?
[00:55:30] He Jamiroquied into that room.
[00:55:31] He did.
[00:55:32] Well William says when I would watch
[00:55:34] Shaggy walk in Scooby-Doo it was
[00:55:37] like that.
[00:55:37] Take some Benadryl and stay awake
[00:55:39] and that analogy will make more sense.
[00:55:41] No I understood it.
[00:55:42] I think I get what he's saying.
[00:55:43] Yeah.
[00:55:44] I completely get it.
[00:55:44] I mean I've been watching cheap
[00:55:46] animation since Cartoon Network
[00:55:47] only had those.
[00:55:48] That's all they played.
[00:55:49] So you know the way that those
[00:55:50] legs wibble wobble across the
[00:55:53] frame.
[00:55:53] Yeah.
[00:55:54] William says I listened to your
[00:55:55] podcast while I was driving back
[00:55:56] from that house last weekend.
[00:55:58] In a strange turn of events I'm
[00:55:59] buying that house and we'll be
[00:56:01] sleeping in that room every night
[00:56:02] starting in a few weeks.
[00:56:03] Wow.
[00:56:04] I have not told my fiance this
[00:56:06] story and I think I'm justified
[00:56:07] in this decision.
[00:56:08] If the hat man is seen all over
[00:56:09] the world the likelihood of
[00:56:10] popping into that room twice has
[00:56:12] got to be pretty low.
[00:56:13] I'll keep you updated if I'm
[00:56:15] wrong.
[00:56:15] Thanks William.
[00:56:16] Weird flex but okay.
[00:56:18] Congratulations on owning a home
[00:56:19] soon.
[00:56:19] Well congratulations on owning a
[00:56:21] home but I want to hear from
[00:56:23] William and make sure this guy is
[00:56:25] doing all right.
[00:56:25] I feel like first of all he never
[00:56:28] kept us updated.
[00:56:30] So this was a year ago.
[00:56:31] He said he'd keep us updated if
[00:56:33] he was wrong.
[00:56:34] So no update means he was right.
[00:56:37] Oh shit.
[00:56:38] And I hope the hat man didn't get
[00:56:39] him.
[00:56:39] Well cowboys don't know how to use
[00:56:40] phones so he can probably get that
[00:56:43] gizmo back.
[00:56:44] Cowboys don't know how to use
[00:56:45] phones.
[00:56:45] I'm just saying it's not like the
[00:56:46] hat man.
[00:56:47] You know I mean what are you
[00:56:48] reaching for.
[00:56:48] It's not a six shooter and then
[00:56:49] he just uses his phone to call us
[00:56:51] or to email us.
[00:56:53] Fair.
[00:56:53] Oh this this is just a nothing.
[00:56:55] I don't know if I'd want to buy
[00:56:56] the house that I saw the hat
[00:56:57] man in.
[00:56:58] Yeah let us know William.
[00:56:59] And I don't think that I don't
[00:57:01] really understand the logic
[00:57:02] because it's like oh what are the
[00:57:03] chances I'll see him twice.
[00:57:05] It's like well maybe this house
[00:57:05] is one of the like five doorways you
[00:57:07] can walk through.
[00:57:08] And so he's always checking this
[00:57:09] house.
[00:57:10] And I don't know where we are going
[00:57:12] to sit this email in the flow of the
[00:57:14] hat man story show but there's at
[00:57:16] least one other email in this group
[00:57:19] of someone who's like yeah yeah I've
[00:57:20] seen the hat man in the same house a
[00:57:21] couple of times so highly likely that
[00:57:24] you will see the hat man again.
[00:57:26] Yeah hit us up let us know if you're
[00:57:27] still listening to the show if the
[00:57:28] hat man lets you listen to the show
[00:57:30] then you know give us a shout.
[00:57:32] Maybe William's too busy he's
[00:57:34] chained to his writing desk continuing
[00:57:36] continuing to tell the story of the
[00:57:38] coolest hat man ever.
[00:57:39] Oh my god it's coming out next
[00:57:40] year.
[00:57:40] He's no fucking dork.
[00:57:42] No way dude.
[00:57:43] It's my favorite line from this
[00:57:44] from this email.
[00:57:45] Yeah.
[00:57:46] All right next up on the list we have
[00:57:48] hat man story from 1948 to 1949
[00:57:52] from Jamie.
[00:57:53] Now this is I remember putting out a
[00:57:55] call for this because we were
[00:57:56] saying that like some of the first
[00:57:58] descriptions in fiction that of men
[00:58:00] in black that might have caused
[00:58:03] people to think about or see hat
[00:58:05] men were right around this era and
[00:58:07] so we asked for early early hat man
[00:58:10] stories and that's exactly what this
[00:58:12] is.
[00:58:13] Jamie says hi my name is Jamie.
[00:58:15] I have literally never contacted
[00:58:17] anyone to tell a story but I just
[00:58:20] heard your first episode while
[00:58:21] catching up on the backlog of
[00:58:22] astonishing legends and at one point
[00:58:24] I felt like you were yelling at me
[00:58:26] personally to share this.
[00:58:29] We were though there's no way to
[00:58:31] confirm this actually occurred.
[00:58:33] I have had a lot of strange
[00:58:34] encounters but this one actually
[00:58:35] happened to my grandmother.
[00:58:37] For some reason people just tell me
[00:58:39] weird things then make me promise
[00:58:40] to never tell anyone they talked
[00:58:42] about something so out of the norm.
[00:58:43] I am the only person in my family
[00:58:46] interested in the woo.
[00:58:47] I would love to ask my grandmother to
[00:58:49] refresh my memory on the details of
[00:58:51] what happened to her but
[00:58:52] unfortunately she passed away in
[00:58:54] 2016.
[00:58:54] RIP God bless.
[00:58:55] RIP God bless to your grandma.
[00:58:58] She told me that when she was four or
[00:58:59] five so probably in 1948 but possibly
[00:59:02] 1949 she was asleep with her sister
[00:59:05] in a bed they shared.
[00:59:06] They lived in rural Kentucky at the
[00:59:08] time outside of Lexington.
[00:59:10] It was late at night because she
[00:59:11] remembered the house was silent and
[00:59:12] everyone was asleep.
[00:59:14] From what I understand there were
[00:59:15] several generations of family in the
[00:59:17] house at the time.
[00:59:18] All sleeping in that same bed.
[00:59:19] Yeah.
[00:59:20] Charlie and the Chocolate Factory style.
[00:59:23] Yeah.
[00:59:23] Unlike most Hat Men stories she didn't
[00:59:25] wake to find him in her room.
[00:59:27] She heard a car outside which she
[00:59:29] immediately found strange because of
[00:59:31] the time and area they lived.
[00:59:33] I've seen photos of where this house
[00:59:34] was once located and it definitely
[00:59:36] doesn't experience heavy traffic even
[00:59:38] now.
[00:59:38] It's a very narrow two lane road that's
[00:59:41] miles outside the closest town and on
[00:59:43] the edge of the Appalachian plateaus.
[00:59:44] Fuck that.
[00:59:45] That's like some fucking in cold blood
[00:59:47] shit.
[00:59:48] You know it's just like a house under
[00:59:50] a tree.
[00:59:51] Yep.
[00:59:51] To be more specific it's east of
[00:59:53] Winchester Kentucky.
[00:59:55] While more specific it doesn't help me
[00:59:56] at all with with picturing where this is.
[00:59:59] Yeah I don't know.
[00:59:59] I don't know Kentucky regional geography
[01:00:02] at all but if you do you probably
[01:00:04] are imagining the most isolated house
[01:00:06] in America.
[01:00:08] She got out of bed to look out the
[01:00:09] window and saw four men exit a dark
[01:00:11] colored car.
[01:00:12] She found it strange that they were
[01:00:14] dressed in outdated suits from the
[01:00:16] 1930s and she said even the car
[01:00:18] appeared to be from the 1930s and
[01:00:20] had white wall tires.
[01:00:21] I remember she literally said they
[01:00:23] looked like gangsters from the 1930s.
[01:00:25] And this is 1948 so it's like only 18
[01:00:28] years earlier.
[01:00:29] Yeah.
[01:00:30] We've already moved on.
[01:00:30] It's like if a bunch of well I was
[01:00:32] going to say it's like if a bunch of
[01:00:33] kids got out of a car with like
[01:00:35] mullets and Looney Tunes shirts and
[01:00:37] yet I remember that that's just how
[01:00:38] Gen Z dresses now.
[01:00:39] Well.
[01:00:39] So maybe maybe 20 years in people
[01:00:41] just started dressing like that
[01:00:42] again.
[01:00:42] Or we could also ask how stylish were
[01:00:45] the gangsters east of Winchester
[01:00:47] Kentucky.
[01:00:48] I feel like they might have been
[01:00:49] hitting up the goodwill.
[01:00:51] And you know.
[01:00:53] Hey could some of you Chicago
[01:00:54] gangsters send out your old clothes?
[01:00:56] Yeah they're not coming down from
[01:00:58] New York or Kansas City.
[01:01:00] But all right in any case these four
[01:01:02] gangsters from the 30s disappeared
[01:01:03] from Jamie's grandmother's view and
[01:01:06] she heard the front door open below.
[01:01:08] My grandmother was scared then so
[01:01:10] she went and hid under her blankets.
[01:01:12] She tried to shake her sister awake
[01:01:14] but she didn't respond.
[01:01:15] She heard heavy footsteps below her and
[01:01:17] then heard them on the stairs.
[01:01:18] The door to the bedroom opened after
[01:01:20] that.
[01:01:21] She didn't hear any voices in the rest
[01:01:23] of the house.
[01:01:23] She then felt someone sit on the end
[01:01:25] of the bed.
[01:01:26] She looked out of the blankets then
[01:01:28] scared to death.
[01:01:29] She described what she saw as
[01:01:31] blackness.
[01:01:32] She saw the shape of a man and even
[01:01:34] the shape of a fedora but there
[01:01:35] were no features just pure black.
[01:01:38] But he spoke to her.
[01:01:39] He patted her foot over the blankets
[01:01:41] and told her not to be afraid.
[01:01:43] And then he sat silently and didn't
[01:01:45] move for several minutes.
[01:01:47] After that he stood in the
[01:01:48] walk silently out of the room.
[01:01:50] She heard the front door close and
[01:01:51] then the car started up and drive
[01:01:53] away.
[01:01:54] After that her sister asked who those
[01:01:56] men were.
[01:01:56] She'd been awake the whole time and
[01:01:58] too afraid to speak or move.
[01:02:00] No one in the family mentioned it the
[01:02:01] following morning or acted any
[01:02:03] differently.
[01:02:04] I know my grandmother was young.
[01:02:05] It's possible some men did show up at
[01:02:07] the property.
[01:02:08] Maybe for not so friendly purposes
[01:02:09] that any adults in the house
[01:02:10] didn't want to share.
[01:02:11] But the fact she heard nothing in
[01:02:13] the rest of the house doesn't seem
[01:02:14] to line up with that idea.
[01:02:15] And also their clothing was so strange
[01:02:17] to her.
[01:02:18] The fact that her sister also
[01:02:20] remembered it afterwards seems like
[01:02:21] it wasn't a dream.
[01:02:22] I also wouldn't know if this would be
[01:02:24] classified as hat men or men in black.
[01:02:26] So I thought your conversation relating
[01:02:28] the two was interesting.
[01:02:29] I will definitely be catching up on
[01:02:31] your episodes as well.
[01:02:32] Thanks.
[01:02:32] That's a wild story.
[01:02:34] Yeah, it's pretty cool.
[01:02:35] I mean, there's so many.
[01:02:37] There is like, yeah, there's the
[01:02:38] possibility that they were men in
[01:02:39] black that like somebody in the family
[01:02:41] saw a UFO and didn't talk about it.
[01:02:44] I also hope they did a head count on
[01:02:46] all the adults in the house the next
[01:02:48] morning.
[01:02:48] Yeah.
[01:02:50] To see if anybody left with those guys
[01:02:52] because that definitely sounds like
[01:02:54] somebody possibly owed somebody else
[01:02:56] money.
[01:02:56] Yeah, you're coming with us.
[01:02:58] Yeah.
[01:02:58] But what I mean, see, this is God,
[01:03:00] this is the perfect kind of story to me,
[01:03:03] the perfect kind of like creepy old
[01:03:06] timey story, because in any version of
[01:03:09] it, it's so evocative.
[01:03:10] It's it's it's so like creepy.
[01:03:14] Yeah.
[01:03:14] Is it a ghost story?
[01:03:15] Is it a villain origin story where it's
[01:03:17] like these people took my dad and now
[01:03:19] I'm going to bring this fight to their
[01:03:20] doorstep.
[01:03:21] It was not the men in black, but just
[01:03:23] like some mobsters.
[01:03:24] Well, that's what I mean.
[01:03:25] Even if it was just gangsters, like
[01:03:26] southern like Dixie mafia gangsters
[01:03:29] showing up to like shake somebody
[01:03:31] down or scare somebody into into doing
[01:03:34] what they wanted them to do.
[01:03:35] That's still a really intense and
[01:03:38] like I mean, I want to say a very
[01:03:40] cool story.
[01:03:41] I'm sure it wasn't super cool for
[01:03:43] whoever it was happening to.
[01:03:44] No, no.
[01:03:45] No.
[01:03:45] These things rarely are.
[01:03:46] No, but but the idea like the it's a
[01:03:49] great family story to have.
[01:03:50] It's such a great mystery.
[01:03:52] And I do love that we now have a
[01:03:56] a story of Hat Man or Hat Men from
[01:04:00] possibly 1948, which would be the very,
[01:04:03] very earliest written context for any
[01:04:06] of this.
[01:04:06] So thank you so much for sharing, Jamie.
[01:04:09] That story is incredible.
[01:04:10] We should give like an award maybe.
[01:04:12] I don't know what we maybe we'd send
[01:04:13] them a Hat Man button.
[01:04:14] I don't have time.
[01:04:14] We don't have time.
[01:04:16] All right.
[01:04:16] We've got that'll be that'll be the
[01:04:18] second year anniversary.
[01:04:19] The awards will go out.
[01:04:20] Yeah, we we've got one more Hat
[01:04:23] Man story here.
[01:04:24] This is called Possible Hat Man,
[01:04:26] a very scary story from Fove Ellen,
[01:04:30] F-A-U-V-E hyphen Ellen.
[01:04:33] Fove Ellen.
[01:04:34] Sure.
[01:04:34] Fove says, hello, I'm Fove from
[01:04:36] England.
[01:04:37] So so that means that name could be
[01:04:39] anything.
[01:04:39] Yeah.
[01:04:39] You never know how to pronounce it
[01:04:40] from over there.
[01:04:41] Yeah.
[01:04:42] Elf elfling of sorts.
[01:04:44] A bog fairy.
[01:04:46] A bog fairy, dude.
[01:04:48] No one's going to want to be compared
[01:04:49] to a bog when they get next week's
[01:04:50] episode.
[01:04:51] So that's true.
[01:04:52] I've got bog on the brain, but
[01:04:54] for the wrong reasons.
[01:04:56] Ed tried looking up what episode in
[01:04:58] the last few weeks he's referring to,
[01:05:00] but he's too tired to figure it out.
[01:05:02] Could have been human sacrifice.
[01:05:04] Could have been the boogeyman.
[01:05:06] No one may ever truly know.
[01:05:08] So anyway, Fove says, I've been a
[01:05:11] listener of Astonishing Legends and
[01:05:12] Graveyard Tales for a few years, and
[01:05:14] it's great to add a new podcast to
[01:05:16] the list.
[01:05:16] So far, very much enjoying it.
[01:05:18] Well, I hope you still are a year and
[01:05:20] 38 episodes later.
[01:05:22] Yeah, they're going to be like, this
[01:05:23] email is going to end with like, P.S.
[01:05:24] And if you don't write me back, I'll
[01:05:25] never listen again.
[01:05:26] Oh, well, wait, hang on, hang on.
[01:05:28] So this email actually came in last
[01:05:30] December.
[01:05:30] So it's not as late as the rest of
[01:05:32] these.
[01:05:33] Sure.
[01:05:33] So I know it's a couple of months
[01:05:35] later, but I think you might like to
[01:05:36] hear about this horrid possible
[01:05:38] hat man slash shadow figure experience
[01:05:40] my partner had years ago.
[01:05:41] Yes, please.
[01:05:42] Sure.
[01:05:43] We'll take it.
[01:05:43] It was back in 2009 after my daughter
[01:05:46] had been born.
[01:05:47] Weed, in parentheses, his ex, moved
[01:05:49] into our first house and had been
[01:05:51] living there for a few months.
[01:05:52] Who's his?
[01:05:53] Did it say his in parentheses?
[01:05:54] Yeah.
[01:05:55] This is going to be a who's on first.
[01:05:56] Yes, there is a weed and then his ex.
[01:06:00] I don't know who the him is.
[01:06:02] It's got to be her ex.
[01:06:03] Wait, it's got to be her ex's
[01:06:05] partner's ex.
[01:06:06] So it's about.
[01:06:08] Oh, yes.
[01:06:08] Yes.
[01:06:09] Okay.
[01:06:09] So now we don't know.
[01:06:11] We don't have a list of names like
[01:06:14] European names.
[01:06:15] So we're just going to go ahead and
[01:06:17] let's just start it over from the
[01:06:18] beginning.
[01:06:18] This one.
[01:06:18] Hello, I'm Fove from England.
[01:06:21] I've been a listener of Astonishing
[01:06:22] Ledges and Graveyard Tales for a few
[01:06:24] years, and it's great to add a new
[01:06:25] podcast to the list so far.
[01:06:28] Very much enjoying it.
[01:06:29] I know it's a couple of months later,
[01:06:31] but I think you might like to hear
[01:06:32] about this horrid possible hat man
[01:06:34] slash shadow figure experience my
[01:06:36] partner had years ago.
[01:06:37] So the email continues here.
[01:06:39] It was back in 2009 after my daughter
[01:06:42] had been born.
[01:06:43] We'd moved into our first house and
[01:06:45] had been living there for a few
[01:06:46] months.
[01:06:47] One night I randomly woke up in the
[01:06:49] early hours, roughly 4 a.m.
[01:06:51] My partner at the time and daughter
[01:06:53] were asleep and everything was in
[01:06:54] darkness.
[01:06:55] I sat up and checked my phone to see
[01:06:57] it was early, set it down and rub my
[01:06:59] eyes.
[01:06:59] I decided to look up and just look
[01:07:01] around the room after feeling slightly
[01:07:03] uneasy to see a silhouette standing
[01:07:05] in the corner.
[01:07:07] It was roughly close to 7 feet tall
[01:07:09] and possibly thin with no features at
[01:07:12] all aside from these long pointy
[01:07:13] fingers that it was holding across
[01:07:15] its general face area.
[01:07:17] Okay.
[01:07:17] It felt like a complete void,
[01:07:19] like it had been cut out of reality
[01:07:21] and was just sucking everything into
[01:07:23] the space it occupied.
[01:07:24] That's pretty cool.
[01:07:25] I stared for a while before it slowly
[01:07:27] lowered its hands and raised its head
[01:07:28] to acknowledge me before sprinting
[01:07:30] directly at me, screaming in various
[01:07:33] different voices, low pitch, high pitch,
[01:07:35] male and female, etc.
[01:07:37] I dived under the duvet terrified and
[01:07:39] shook my then partner awake, incoherently
[01:07:42] trying to explain what I had seen.
[01:07:43] When we both sat up, there was nothing
[01:07:45] there.
[01:07:46] Since that event, the back room of the
[01:07:48] house had a horrible energy.
[01:07:49] It felt gut-wrenching and just vile.
[01:07:52] You couldn't stay in there for long
[01:07:53] before beginning to feel panicked.
[01:07:55] A friend who'd managed to sleep in
[01:07:57] there reported scratching at the walls
[01:07:58] and their feet being touched.
[01:08:01] Eventually, we moved from the place
[01:08:03] with no further encounters until our
[01:08:05] second home.
[01:08:06] The second encounter was in 2011.
[01:08:08] Again, like before, I randomly woke up
[01:08:11] in the middle of the night and sat up
[01:08:12] to check my phone as I had before.
[01:08:14] Again, roughly 4am.
[01:08:16] I casually glanced around the room
[01:08:18] before noticing something odd on the
[01:08:19] wall, straining my eyes to see
[01:08:22] I saw a hand reaching around the
[01:08:24] doorframe and resting on the wall,
[01:08:25] palm flat.
[01:08:26] It was again like a void and had long
[01:08:29] pointy fingers.
[01:08:30] As I tensed up, it slowly withdrew
[01:08:32] around the doorframe and a head
[01:08:34] peered around, again no features at
[01:08:36] all, and drew back again.
[01:08:37] As I sat, terrified, I heard the
[01:08:40] stairs creaking as footsteps made their
[01:08:42] way down before sprinting back up.
[01:08:44] At that point, my daughter started
[01:08:46] screaming in utter terror from the next
[01:08:48] room and both myself and my then
[01:08:49] partner ran in to comfort her.
[01:08:50] She had scratch marks down her arms.
[01:08:53] Oh my god.
[01:08:54] The third encounter was only a week
[01:08:56] after.
[01:08:57] My then partner and I woke up gasping
[01:08:59] at again roughly 4am.
[01:09:01] We both saw the figure standing in
[01:09:03] the corner and like before, it ran at us
[01:09:04] screaming before disappearing.
[01:09:06] So crazy.
[01:09:07] It's crazy because this is I think the
[01:09:09] first story where, I don't know where
[01:09:11] this is going to end up in the episode,
[01:09:12] but there was another email where the
[01:09:14] person, you know, individually like them
[01:09:16] and then their partner each saw a hat
[01:09:18] man.
[01:09:18] But the fact that they're both seeing it
[01:09:20] is so, like that's what's so nuts to me.
[01:09:23] Yeah.
[01:09:23] Like they both shoot up at 4am,
[01:09:24] presumably for how much, how this is
[01:09:26] being read to me.
[01:09:27] It seems like they both are like, oh
[01:09:28] shit, there it is.
[01:09:30] Yeah.
[01:09:30] And then again, years passed without
[01:09:33] incident.
[01:09:33] I split up with my kid's mother after
[01:09:35] my son was born in 2013 and eventually
[01:09:38] she moved out taking both the kids.
[01:09:40] I eventually moved on and found another
[01:09:41] partner in 2014.
[01:09:43] I had never told her about these
[01:09:45] incidents and had since buried them
[01:09:46] deep in my memory.
[01:09:47] One night she stayed over and told me
[01:09:49] the next morning that during the night
[01:09:51] I had shaken her awake while thrashing
[01:09:53] in my sleep, seemingly having a very
[01:09:55] vivid night terror.
[01:09:56] She tried to wake me to no avail before
[01:09:58] feeling uneasy like she was being
[01:10:00] watched.
[01:10:00] She said she looked around the room to
[01:10:02] see a figure really tall and
[01:10:04] impossibly thin with no features aside
[01:10:06] from long fingers covering its face
[01:10:08] standing there.
[01:10:09] It remained there for a while before
[01:10:11] fading away and my night terror seemed
[01:10:12] to stop.
[01:10:13] The last experience I had was a short
[01:10:15] one.
[01:10:16] I had turned the light off in a room
[01:10:17] before going to bed and upon turning
[01:10:19] around was met with the same figure
[01:10:20] stood right in my face.
[01:10:22] I immediately spun around, turned the
[01:10:23] light on and just stood facing the
[01:10:25] wall terrified, but it had gone.
[01:10:27] I've not had an encounter since.
[01:10:30] Wow.
[01:10:30] A couple of things.
[01:10:31] And then, oh, there's more.
[01:10:32] And then Fove just ends it by saying
[01:10:34] thankfully I've never encountered it.
[01:10:36] He still has nightmares, the partner and
[01:10:38] full-on night terrors about it
[01:10:39] occasionally.
[01:10:40] We aren't Christian, but demonic is
[01:10:42] the way he can describe it.
[01:10:44] Oh, wait.
[01:10:44] So I'm a little sorry.
[01:10:46] So this person, Fove, experienced none
[01:10:47] of this?
[01:10:48] This is all secondhand from the partner?
[01:10:50] I don't know.
[01:10:51] I guess.
[01:10:52] Because this is now making a lot more
[01:10:53] sense, like tenses and pronouns wise.
[01:10:55] Yeah.
[01:10:55] You know what?
[01:10:56] I'm realizing now that the story is in
[01:10:58] quotes in the email.
[01:10:59] Oh, OK.
[01:10:59] So that's just us being idiots.
[01:11:01] Yeah.
[01:11:02] Yeah.
[01:11:02] Yeah.
[01:11:02] Yeah.
[01:11:02] It's so OK.
[01:11:03] I got it.
[01:11:05] It's Fove's partner's story.
[01:11:07] Oh, gotcha.
[01:11:08] Gotcha.
[01:11:08] So the partner's ex was like, I'm
[01:11:09] Audi 5000.
[01:11:10] Enjoy the hat man.
[01:11:11] And then he was like, we'll do.
[01:11:12] And then Fove enters the picture who's
[01:11:13] impervious to the hat man's touch.
[01:11:15] And they were like, listen, our one
[01:11:18] defense against old Ricky Longhands here
[01:11:20] is to just tell your story far and wide.
[01:11:22] Yes.
[01:11:22] Yes.
[01:11:23] From the from the mountains to the
[01:11:25] plains, to the prairies, to the sea,
[01:11:28] the tale of the hat man in Fove's room
[01:11:32] and Fove's partner's life, I guess.
[01:11:34] Yeah.
[01:11:34] And now our podcast.
[01:11:35] So thanks for reaching out and telling
[01:11:37] it to us.
[01:11:37] It's definitely scary stuff.
[01:11:39] Yeah.
[01:11:39] We're sorry your partner is still in the
[01:11:41] trenches, but we're glad that you're
[01:11:43] still in the clear and also glad you're
[01:11:45] listening to and enjoying the show.
[01:11:47] A hundred percent.
[01:11:47] So that's an incredible run of hat man
[01:11:50] stories.
[01:11:50] Yeah.
[01:11:50] It took a year to get to some of them,
[01:11:53] man.
[01:11:53] I never thought we'd get this kind of
[01:11:55] response to our hat man episode, but
[01:11:57] it is awesome that we did.
[01:11:59] So hopefully next time we ask for this
[01:12:02] kind of, uh, we ask for these emails.
[01:12:04] We ask for these sorts of stories.
[01:12:06] We will put them on the show or reply
[01:12:08] to each of you in less time than a full
[01:12:11] calendar year.
[01:12:12] But with that, I think that's going to
[01:12:14] do it for us on this hat man stories
[01:12:17] episode.
[01:12:17] Thank you so much to everyone who sent
[01:12:19] in hat man stories and links and info.
[01:12:22] Uh, it was a blast to get them and read
[01:12:24] them and share them and everything.
[01:12:25] And, and we've already just from
[01:12:27] announcing that we are doing this hat
[01:12:28] man episode, we've had a couple of
[01:12:30] people be like, Oh no, I should have
[01:12:31] sent in a hat man story.
[01:12:33] Guess what?
[01:12:34] You still can.
[01:12:35] These emails are from more than a year
[01:12:37] ago.
[01:12:38] Yeah.
[01:12:38] So, uh, you're, you're not behind.
[01:12:40] We are.
[01:12:41] There's always time around here.
[01:12:43] There's always time.
[01:12:44] Just send in some.
[01:12:44] And if we get enough, we'll probably do
[01:12:46] another one at some point.
[01:12:47] Yeah.
[01:12:47] And maybe next year we'll, we'll
[01:12:49] make it more of a thing and like build
[01:12:50] some sound design around them and stuff
[01:12:52] like the, the bigger and better shows
[01:12:53] do, uh, you know, instead of just
[01:12:55] reading them kind of half out of
[01:12:56] breath.
[01:12:57] Yeah, that would be great.
[01:12:58] Yeah.
[01:12:58] Till then I'm Ed Vecola.
[01:13:00] And I'm Chris Colari.
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