Alien Abductions Part 1

[00:00:00] This episode includes the usual amount of adult language and graphic discussions you've

[00:00:08] come to expect around here, but in the event it becomes an unusual amount, expect

[00:00:13] another call from me.

[00:00:15] Welcome back to Scared All The Time.

[00:00:16] I'm Chris Calary, and I'm Ed Fakola.

[00:00:19] And late last year while walking to the train in the middle of the day, I looked up in

[00:00:23] the sky and saw a UFO.

[00:00:26] If you were listening to this show last year right here on Christmas, you might remember

[00:00:28] me talking about this.

[00:00:30] It was a white or silver sphere hovering around Culver City with an LAPD helicopter circling

[00:00:35] nearby.

[00:00:36] I don't know if the helicopter was circling the object or something else, but it definitely

[00:00:40] drew my attention so I watched it for a few minutes from the street and this sphere

[00:00:44] was just sitting there not growing and changing shape or size.

[00:00:49] And if I was seeing a UFO, I was like I should have a picture of this.

[00:00:52] So I took some pictures, it just sat there after about 10 or 15 minutes I walked away.

[00:00:58] And a few hours later, the news broke that some strange white spheres had been caught

[00:01:01] on video hovering around Air Force One as it took off from LAX.

[00:01:05] My sighting had occurred right around the same time and it seemed to be a really similar

[00:01:09] object so I posted my pictures on Reddit and was soon contacted by the Daily Mail and

[00:01:14] a great reporter named Merrick von Rennenkamp who's been doing some great work in the

[00:01:18] UFO or UAP space over the past few years.

[00:01:21] So I say all this to say well I can't say exactly what it was that I saw and I definitely

[00:01:26] can't say whether or not it was aliens, it was weird and it got me diving back deep

[00:01:31] into all kinds of the alien shaped corners of the internet.

[00:01:35] And it was down there in the depths or I guess maybe out there in the stars that I found

[00:01:40] one of my oldest fears reignited, the fear of alien abduction.

[00:01:45] Now when I was a kid, I was the opposite of scared all the time of being abducted by

[00:01:50] aliens.

[00:01:51] I actually thought it would be really cool who wouldn't want to go on an alien spaceship

[00:01:54] and meet aliens and finally know for sure who are alone in the universe.

[00:01:58] Of course I thought I would be friends with them, I even wrote a couple short stories

[00:02:02] about getting abducted and making friends with an alien and then hiding them from the

[00:02:05] government at my house and I think the government like killed my parents at some point it was

[00:02:09] very long time ago.

[00:02:11] But the older I got and the more I read about the experiences aboard these other worldly

[00:02:16] ships the scarier it got, the probing, the surgeries, the forced impregnations, the helplessness,

[00:02:23] all bad, all very scary and all ripe to talk about on this show.

[00:02:28] So join us listener as we beam aboard an alien ship and it's us who's doing the probing

[00:02:32] for once.

[00:02:36] Hey everybody, welcome back.

[00:02:47] We want to kick off this episode with a quick rundown of a little bit of listener mail.

[00:02:54] We've been getting lots of listener mail and we do read all of it.

[00:02:58] We've been so busy putting the show together that we're not great at getting back to

[00:03:02] all of it but we're going to try to get better at that.

[00:03:05] No, we get back to people all the time.

[00:03:07] We just don't follow up on if we say that sounds like a great idea.

[00:03:10] We'll do that.

[00:03:11] Like we haven't done a lot of following up on the great idea that we're going to do but

[00:03:14] I think we get back to almost everybody.

[00:03:17] If it's got a big idea and sometimes we kick the can a little bit because we don't have

[00:03:21] time to do that big idea.

[00:03:22] Sure, I should say if we haven't gotten back to you please know we've read your email

[00:03:27] and we just have been so busy putting this fucking show together every week.

[00:03:34] Then we, things slip through the cracks so forgive us but we do have a couple of emails

[00:03:38] you want to touch base on before we kick off this episode.

[00:03:41] The first is from Cassie who actually wrote, we would have covered this on amusement

[00:03:47] park disasters but she wrote us literally in a nice little universal coincidence here.

[00:03:54] She emailed us to us the day that we were prepping that episode to go out.

[00:03:58] So last Wednesday we got this email.

[00:04:00] It was too late to put it in the show or anything but Cassie wanted to let us know about a water

[00:04:07] park that is being constructed on an infamous lake in Georgia Lake Lanier.

[00:04:12] There's a whole very somber, very tragic and violent story connected to Lake Lanier which

[00:04:19] I think despite what Ed and I just said about not having time to get into any of the big

[00:04:25] ideas that we get in these emails.

[00:04:28] We do think we might actually do amusement parks part two that we would cover this so we're

[00:04:34] not going to go into the whole story but it is very sad.

[00:04:37] I wouldn't really call it an amusement park disaster.

[00:04:39] It's more of a pre amusement park tragic history but good god, it's some bad shit.

[00:04:46] As Cassie says in her email the vibes are off at Lake Lanier and I agree.

[00:04:53] So we've got that.

[00:04:54] I also wanted to read this email from Alicia because Alicia is a fellow Pennsylvania

[00:05:01] and I love Pennsylvania.

[00:05:03] She also had a little bit of a Hershey lore here.

[00:05:05] She says, hey guys, I absolutely love your podcast.

[00:05:08] I listened and still do listen to astonishing legends shout out Scott Forrest and have

[00:05:13] been for a lot of years and I love that you guys are able to have your own podcasts.

[00:05:17] We do too.

[00:05:18] We love it too Alicia.

[00:05:19] I'm glad you enjoy it.

[00:05:21] Alicia says she's from Pennsylvania currently living in school co county but used to live

[00:05:25] in the Lebanon area and worked a lot of jobs at Hershey.

[00:05:27] I will say that I have heard Hershey lodge is haunted but I know from personal experience

[00:05:32] that hotel Hershey is.

[00:05:34] I used to work nights and definitely heard and seen a few things.

[00:05:38] Love you guys and hope you keep making more episodes for years to come.

[00:05:42] So hell yeah Alicia, I have been to Hotel Hershey a bunch.

[00:05:46] My high school prom was actually at Hotel Hershey.

[00:05:48] I've never experienced anything there.

[00:05:51] There's lots of stories that have floated around but Alicia if you want to send us a follow

[00:05:56] up email and let us know what you've seen it heard be very interested to hear about

[00:06:00] it.

[00:06:01] And speaking of Pennsylvania because Pennsylvania might be able to try and claim him for

[00:06:06] part of his time in Carlisle we have since learned who Jim Thorpe was.

[00:06:10] Yes, we did not know.

[00:06:12] No, we Ed and I know a little about a lot but we know nothing about sports so it's definitely

[00:06:18] a blind spot for us.

[00:06:19] Pro wrestling I know a lot about but I would say that is a well I wouldn't say it's sports

[00:06:25] entertainment I would say it is a sports based product.

[00:06:28] Yeah, I just feel like we don't know enough about like the big sports like I know a lot

[00:06:32] about motor sports and stuff and then you know a lot about wrestling but neither of us

[00:06:35] could we'd be so bad at a trivia night for like oh baseball football any that type of

[00:06:41] shit.

[00:06:42] We don't really know anything.

[00:06:43] Oh, I've been bad at trivia nights.

[00:06:44] I've been in trivia teams where like you know all of our friends for the most part a lot

[00:06:49] of our friends are like movie people and so when the sports category comes up good God

[00:06:54] it's a massacre.

[00:06:55] Yeah, but anyway we got an email from Brandon who said well we also got emails from a lot

[00:07:00] of people including Ed's dad.

[00:07:01] Yup, got a text from my dad yeah.

[00:07:04] It texts read that we got email from Brandon that says guys Jim Thorpe is one of the greatest

[00:07:08] athletes of all time and Oklahoma icon in a sad story I know more than just me is sent

[00:07:13] you this but come on it's actually a great story check him out Brandon so thank you

[00:07:19] Brandon we'd Ed checked him out yeah and it is a great story so Ed do you want to share

[00:07:23] what you've learned yeah I mean well you know like he said Native American gentleman

[00:07:28] from Oklahoma who did spend time in Carlisle Pennsylvania where he was first seen to be

[00:07:34] wow this guy could do anything like this guy every sport we know nothing about he was

[00:07:38] amazing so baseball football basketball I mean I don't know what basketball but hold on

[00:07:42] wait yes everything you try including basketball boxing the cross swimming hockey and ball

[00:07:48] in tennis holy shit also went to the fucking Olympics and destroyed there all the time

[00:07:52] and all that type of shit so he was maybe the greatest athlete ever and yeah we didn't

[00:07:57] know who the fuck you was my dad admitted that it's funnier the content we were able to

[00:08:02] make out of thinking he's someone else was funny but yeah it's just something we didn't

[00:08:08] know and so thanks for letting us know and I'm glad I looked into it it definitely had

[00:08:11] a crazy interesting life and there's a lot of you know sadness there too so thanks everyone

[00:08:16] for sending us stories that are interesting and sad.

[00:08:19] Alright well with that all out of the way Ed I think it's time to explore the wild and

[00:08:26] weird world of alien abductions. Part one baby so this one gets requested a lot

[00:08:33] and with good reason stories of alien abductions are usually pretty fucking terrifying filled

[00:08:38] with all kinds of physical and emotional traumas that haunt abducks he used for the rest of

[00:08:42] their lives. I've never been abducted and I certainly never hope to be but for years probably

[00:08:48] like middle school into high school it really freaked me out because sort of like my awareness

[00:08:53] of sleep paralysis and our old friend the hat man the fear of being abducted loomed large when

[00:08:58] it came time to go to bed. I started getting really uncomfortable with closing my eyes out

[00:09:03] of fear that when I opened them I would be laying on a slab in the sky somewhere unable to move

[00:09:08] and having horrible experiments performed on me. Ed were you ever afraid of getting abducted

[00:09:14] it's weird because I was more similar to you in my youth of like I want to be friends with

[00:09:20] alien. Yeah to the point where like I loved ex files watching it every week and my cousin and I

[00:09:27] had like my dad's office. Mattowns he's a plumber but he also had like an office for doing like

[00:09:32] invoices and stuff and he had like an old typewriter that he would use for like invoices but we

[00:09:37] would use the typewriter to make like our own ex files and we would go out at night with like

[00:09:42] flashlights and like lay on a trampoline and look up at the sky and then like take notes of

[00:09:48] what we thought we saw and then we would type up the ex files of like night whatever we zero

[00:09:55] sightings. And then we would put him in a folder and my dad let us keep a folder in the work filing

[00:10:00] cabinet and we had like an ex file amongst a bunch of plumbing invoices. I can't believe we've never

[00:10:05] talked about this before. I didn't have a typewriter but I also had a filing cabinet where I kept

[00:10:10] my own ex files. Oh wow well heard it here first. Some of them were like me going out to look

[00:10:15] but a lot of it was just I would like read something in a book you know one of those like time

[00:10:19] life books or something and then I would like write up notes on it and be like okay this is a case

[00:10:25] and if anyone ever comes to me asking about big foot I have all my information I have all my

[00:10:30] ex files it was in like one of those accordion folders with like the loop thing yeah yeah yeah

[00:10:36] now I put it in a filing cabinet or at one point I got a briefcase and I put it in there yeah

[00:10:41] that makes you cool makes you wake up dude when you bring it to school you're even cooler don't

[00:10:46] bring it to school. Oh I learned the hard way don't bring the briefcase with your ex files to

[00:10:51] school no one else will think it's as cool as you do okay first off lose the briefcase and just

[00:10:56] bring trading cards yeah yeah the better way to go about it but no I did that and so I was also like

[00:11:01] pro alien and and we'll probably get it this later maybe it depends on what you're gonna talk about

[00:11:06] but you know and I had my caricature drawn by an abductee. Oh so was it a caricature of you being

[00:11:12] abducted was that like the gimmick or no no I think that man didn't talk about the abduction

[00:11:16] anymore but uh it's like a guy who yeah it was a fairly it was like a fairly famous is from the

[00:11:23] allegage where the allegage oh yeah who also I believe provided in like that unsolved mysteries

[00:11:30] episode about it and pretty sure those are like his drawings that were provided of like the

[00:11:34] events or whatever yeah yeah yeah yeah and I wish I still had that caricature but we'll get into

[00:11:38] that if are we gonna talk about allegage not in part one okay so I'll talk more about the

[00:11:42] meeting of them all right cool but that all changed though so my love of aliens and not my love

[00:11:48] but I'm saying like your marriage to an alien dissolved my marriage to an alien dissolved when I saw

[00:11:53] fire in the sky yep and that for me was like you know what I don't think these people are great

[00:11:59] yeah that's when like nightmares about aliens began and not like how would you sleep oh

[00:12:05] amazing another dreamer I was holding hands with an alien that was dreams prior to fire in the sky

[00:12:10] yeah I assume that probably large sections of our audience have seen fire in the sky but if you

[00:12:16] haven't it's a nightmare inducer and part of what's so scary about it is that the first hour and

[00:12:23] a half of the movie is like sort of just looks like I made for TV lifetime movie about these guys

[00:12:30] who are abducted and it's interesting and it's fine and in the last like 15 minutes of the

[00:12:36] movie is just the most horrifying thing you've ever seen when the guy finally remembers his

[00:12:41] abducted experience it's like they switched directors and got like just some nightmare factory

[00:12:48] to make the last couple minutes of the movie and it looks really good I mean like it looks great

[00:12:53] pre you know CG and all that crap it just like there was so much really great imagery that was

[00:12:58] art designed and production designed and shot amazingly and scary yeah holy smokes like I'm not

[00:13:04] even a fan of syrup on my waffles and pancakes because of that movie like there's so much so

[00:13:10] much good no not even the good there's a famous syrup scene like in the movie that you know

[00:13:15] reignites his flashbacks yes and so I'm like if syrup does that to that guy then I'm hold the syrup

[00:13:20] please mom yeah anyway yeah if no one's seen it definitely check it out but just be prepared that

[00:13:25] it's there is some very terrifying stuff in it yeah the closest I've ever had to an abduction

[00:13:30] experience is a recurring nightmare I might have might have talked about in the hat man episode

[00:13:34] and I can't remember exactly what age I was when I started having this recurring nightmare but

[00:13:40] probably like four or five because it's one of my earliest memories I think back on it to this day

[00:13:46] and so I'd have this recurring dream that I'd be in my bed asleep and then I would be aware of

[00:13:52] being lifted up out of my bed and I'd sort of come to as I floated out of my room on my back

[00:13:59] and then floated down the stairs in my house and at the bottom of the stairs there was this room

[00:14:05] that would eventually become my mom's office but at the time it was just sort of an empty room

[00:14:08] of the couch in it and I'd get very gently laid down on the floor and then I would be aware of

[00:14:15] multiple like people or beings or creatures they were never I never like saw them but I felt

[00:14:22] them there and this really heavy presence would either hold my chest or sometimes my arms and my

[00:14:27] legs down and eventually the weight would move up to my ear and it would start panting and heaving

[00:14:33] and snarling and I would get really really scared and I feel like I was going to die and then

[00:14:38] I'd wake up and so I wouldn't call it an alien abduction but part of what I think is so interesting

[00:14:43] about it is that it almost feels like a proto abduction like if the details were different if the

[00:14:48] figures were more clear if I floated out my window instead of down the stairs it has these similarities

[00:14:54] to an alien abduction but just really hazy and I think that's ultimately what I'm most curious

[00:14:59] about with this topic is this phenomenon physical like do biological or technological entities physically

[00:15:07] remove people from the planet and bring them to another location or is it a more for lack of a

[00:15:13] better term let's call it spiritual phenomenon that happens somewhere in the blurry reality between

[00:15:19] sleep and dreams and other dimensions. Interesting question yeah yeah you know as I tend to discover

[00:15:26] when I start doing research on these topics you could probably teach a college course on this

[00:15:30] subject and still barely scratch the surface so we're going to split this episode into two

[00:15:35] the first half that you're listening to right now is going to cover the history of abductions in

[00:15:40] folklore up through early UFO contactees and through what as far as I can tell is the first recorded

[00:15:48] and reported alien abduction case in human history and then the second episode will pick up with

[00:15:54] the Betty and Barney Hill story and abductions post Betty and Barney Hill and believe me when

[00:16:00] I tell you there is some crazy shit in both have so I highly encourage you to listen to both

[00:16:06] and before we dive in I should say to our true believers that even though we're going to talk

[00:16:10] our usual shit and sometimes take a pretty skeptical eye towards these cases we're doing it lovingly

[00:16:15] I think anyone who talks about their experiences is brave and I never think they're outright lying

[00:16:20] experiencers believe what they are saying they believe what they've gone through and we're never

[00:16:25] going to get anywhere dismissing their stories outright and we also won't get anywhere if they don't

[00:16:29] come forward to tell us about them so don't get it twisted just because we're busting balls on

[00:16:33] this show if you have an experience it would be a helpful thing for you to come forward and we're

[00:16:40] just busting balls lovingly because that's the only way the Ed and I know how to express love

[00:16:44] so I will die on the hill that abduction experiences our part of our reality just like ghosts bigfoot

[00:16:51] time slips and so many other mysteries these experiences speak to something we don't understand

[00:16:56] about either our world or our minds the question for me is what question for me is was that in your

[00:17:05] vows that they're like listen my love language is busting balls just know this hey Anna's parents

[00:17:11] good to see you Anna's parents listen to this show so I know it's okay my wife and I

[00:17:18] communicate through ball busting on a fairly regular basis but I treat her parents with the utmost

[00:17:23] respect I'd never suggested you did it I don't think you needed that second part well I've never

[00:17:28] busted a parents balls out maybe my own mothers certainly my own dads but we should change

[00:17:33] it to bus and shops because there's a lot of confusing language now all of a sudden anyway what

[00:17:39] were you saying about aliens well we'll come back to aliens one of the reasons I don't doubt

[00:17:44] the reality of these cases that they have always been with us in some form or fashion tales of

[00:17:49] folk laureate creatures abducting humans and scampering away with them are as old as history fairies

[00:17:56] in particular seem to have a predilection for kidnapping children and not tinkerbell style fairies

[00:18:02] although some people have drawn parallels between jambarries peter pan and other older fairy

[00:18:07] abduction stories but before the early nineteen hundred fairies or phase they're sometimes known

[00:18:13] were not magical beings made of light and pixie dust skipping through the woods they were creatures

[00:18:18] anywhere from four inches to seven feet tall depending on whose local lawyer going on

[00:18:25] and they had their own rules and cultures and they kind of ranged from mischievous gremlin type

[00:18:30] behaviors like you know if your milk got stolen or you found the eggs were crushed or something

[00:18:36] it would be the fairies but they also were involved in like wholesale abduction in murder at

[00:18:41] a different point well that's the thing where it's like oh my biscuits were stolen it was like

[00:18:45] that's a foreign fairy took what they can yeah and it was like oh my whole family was stolen it was

[00:18:50] like that's a seven foot fairy took your family I mean it could also be a small fairy delivers

[00:18:55] travels they have magical powers so sometimes it didn't matter how big they were I mean to me

[00:19:00] when I was doing the research and I saw these references to like seven foot tall fairies to me at

[00:19:04] that point you're talking about a troll not a fair I mean I feel like that's dangerous language

[00:19:09] the fairy community where it's like whoa yeah oh whoa whoa whoa let's watch only we can use that

[00:19:15] word you know it's not so I found some really great information about all this at ask about

[00:19:22] Ireland dot i e which sounds like a fake website but I swear isn't the link is in the show notes

[00:19:28] and according to the wheel ads over there tradition says that abductions took place fairy

[00:19:34] abductions took place to increase the strength of fairy stock and because they needed red blood in

[00:19:40] order to secure their place in heaven sometimes they were said to leave a fairy changeling in place

[00:19:46] of the person they had abducted a changeling being a sick wise and fairy that merely resembled

[00:19:52] the human left behind and I'll pause here to say immediately this is one of those things that makes

[00:19:58] me see a parallel to alien abductions not the aliens need red blood but the idea of fairies

[00:20:06] abducted people to increase the strength of fairy stock really mirrors the modern alien abduction

[00:20:11] idea of you know forced impregnations or the idea that they're breeding with us somehow so

[00:20:18] that kind of idea has been there for a very long time and also this idea of replacing someone

[00:20:24] is definitely a fear i'm gonna go down in this show at some point not this episode but that's

[00:20:29] something that I do get weirded out about like am I talking to Chris on this episode or is

[00:20:34] Chris in a fucking closet somewhere and you're a scroll or whatever like that stuff definitely bugs me

[00:20:40] out so we are about to go down that road right now my good friend oh well there goes an episode

[00:20:45] listeners so to prevent fairy abduction parents would sometimes so boys were apparently more often

[00:20:54] abducted by fairies than girls so parents would dress boys as girls to confuse the fairies

[00:21:00] and dare I say possibly confuse their children at some point as they got older it's the opposite of

[00:21:07] it was a treasure island see the opposite treasure island where they have to like dress that girls

[00:21:10] a boy otherwise it wouldn't be safer on the pirates yeah fairies were also believed to be frightened

[00:21:16] of iron so tongs would sometimes be placed over the cradle babies could also be sprinkled with holy water

[00:21:23] or in echoes of a little bit of homiculous lore you could also sprinkle your baby with urine

[00:21:29] because fairies did not like dirty babies oh my god there's other ways to dirty your baby yeah

[00:21:36] like if it's simply dirty they just don't want it dirty then I don't know sprinkle some fucking

[00:21:40] cold dust on it i mean urine seem to be the thing that comes up again in a few minutes you know what

[00:21:45] I think it's everyone was so poor it was like what can we get for nothing i guess piss is fucking free

[00:21:49] yeah exactly you couldn't even spare dirt because you should be planting things in it so it's like well

[00:21:56] the changeling idea like you were just saying though really left out to me for its parallels

[00:22:00] to invasion of the body snatchers where i mean no one's getting peed on in that movie but not

[00:22:06] enough jellyfish bites in that movie that's why well i mean it seems like the way that you could

[00:22:10] prevent your friend being body snatched was to just pee on them so maybe hey maybe this is

[00:22:17] the ip we can do a reboot scared all the time presents invasion of the body snatchers scared home video

[00:22:23] presents yes scared home video and these aliens can't stand buckets of hot piss and shit

[00:22:29] invasions of the body snatcher to ip on you that's that's the title for no one invasion of the body

[00:22:36] snatchers to piss fountain what doesn't rhyme it doesn't have to rhyme it just has to be evocative well

[00:22:43] i don't know anyway blumhouse call us as i dug deeper into this strange form of what i would

[00:22:57] consider abduction i stumble across what i think is one of the earliest and craziest examples

[00:23:03] of a crime tied to an alien or in this case fairy abduction story the death of one bridgett

[00:23:11] cleary have you ever heard of this woman had no if you didn't have a diary i know no

[00:23:15] bridgets without diaries okay wait what bridgets do you know with diaries just the famous one bridgett

[00:23:20] jones is diary oh the only bridge i know i can think of off the top of my head does he any part of my

[00:23:25] life i was thinking of and frank her name's not bridgett no i know that's i was like when you said

[00:23:31] bridgets diary i was like her name's and frank now and so that's why i asked but

[00:23:37] well bridgett cleary lived in tipperary irland with her husband michael cleary and her father

[00:23:43] patrick the clearys were sort of an interesting family for the time so this is like the i think

[00:23:48] this is 1895 late 1800s and the clearys were middle class and doing pretty well compared to

[00:23:56] most of the other people in their town because bridgett sold eggs and worked as a seamstress in

[00:24:02] addition to her husband's salary at his job and in that way bridgett really represents this sort

[00:24:08] of emerging modern woman where she was literate she dressed well she worked which was an outlier

[00:24:14] in their kind of rural town which was still heavily agriculture based and even reading and writing

[00:24:19] there was still a lot more oral tradition at the time than reading and writing so they were

[00:24:24] an interesting family and bridgett did have one old school belief though she believed in fairies

[00:24:29] despite all the warnings and folklore that warned people to stay away from fairies and their territory

[00:24:35] bridgett loved visiting fairy circles which we'll talk more about a little bit later on

[00:24:40] but essentially these are circles in the grass or sometimes mushrooms in a circle in the grass

[00:24:46] that's where fairies are supposed to frequent and in particular there is this early medieval

[00:24:52] circular fort called a ring fort near her town that had come to be known as a fairy fort

[00:24:59] so she loved visiting this fairy fort and it's possible that on Monday March 4th 1895

[00:25:05] it's possible she spent some time there when she went to deliver eggs to her father's cousin

[00:25:10] Jack Dunn near Kyla Granah Hill I think there's no way whatever near a hill near Kyle's Hill

[00:25:19] yeah where this fort stood all we know for sure is that by the time she got home from her

[00:25:24] deliveries she was sick she spent the rest of the day in bed complaining of an unusual pain in her

[00:25:29] head and it wasn't super unusual that she'd be sick her delivery route was like a two or three mile

[00:25:34] walk and it was still snowy this time of year so an illness would make sense as she could have caught

[00:25:39] something and they did have a doctor come over the doctor diagnosed her as having a sort of a

[00:25:45] bullshit diagnosis of quote nervous excitement and slight bronchitis which sounds like everything

[00:25:50] I ever tried to stay home from school for that was nervous and had a slight bronchitis it seems

[00:25:57] like bronchitis is doing the heavy lifting here though I don't know if nervous excitement's what's

[00:26:01] keeping her in bed well this is back when you could diagnose women with anything oh my god

[00:26:05] official diagnosis hysteria yeah exactly exactly well what's weird here is that her husband Michael

[00:26:13] wasn't as concerned with the actual illness as he was with his growing conviction that the woman

[00:26:18] laying sick in Bridget's bed won't be able to deliver the eggs the business requires this woman

[00:26:25] to walk six miles yeah and if she can't we simply will have to sell the chickens in the coop well no

[00:26:32] he was much more concerned with this growing conviction he had that the woman laying sick in

[00:26:36] Bridget's bed wasn't his wife at all he thought it was a fairy yeah and he knows that the

[00:26:41] fairies won't know the route and so again it all comes back to his real issue is we're going

[00:26:46] to lose our egg business well he claimed first of all the egg business I don't think I couldn't

[00:26:51] actually find what michael's job was but I don't think he was in the egg business I think

[00:26:55] Bridget just delivered eggs based on egg routes he meticulously designed yeah yes he spent years

[00:27:01] being like this is perfect he's in now if only I can get a woman to walk it will we're being

[00:27:07] business yeah he's like I've done all the drawing I've done the hard one yeah what's more interesting

[00:27:15] than michael's possibly real possibly fake chicken or the egg business is that he claimed that this

[00:27:23] ill woman in bed was two inches taller and quote to fine to be his wife oh shit yeah and if it's

[00:27:33] actually his wife she's like I'm right here that's the rudest thing you've ever said I know

[00:27:37] that's fucking brutal to be sitting there like damn who's this hottie that's definitely not the woman

[00:27:44] I married yeah if he didn't say the first part about it not being his wife it's actually a wonderful

[00:27:49] compliment where it's like oh my god thank you like even now like that's true love yeah like even

[00:27:53] at my worst like ICs B is a babe yeah but no he started the sentence with oh my god my wife would

[00:27:59] never look this hot in bed sick exactly well in fact michael believed that Bridget had been replaced by

[00:28:06] a fairy changeling as she passed by the fairy for it on kyle and grandma hill now no one's

[00:28:13] entirely sure how michael came to this conclusion exactly but it's likely that good old jack done

[00:28:20] the man that Bridget was busy delivering eggs to had something to do with it because he wasn't just

[00:28:26] her father's cousin he was also a charismatic local shanahe which is basically like a storyteller

[00:28:33] with a concentration in fairy mythology and it was certainly jack done who encouraged michael to

[00:28:40] escalate things after a priest gave Bridget or whoever whatever hottie it was in that bed her last

[00:28:48] rights sure the priest wasn't too concerned about the illness the last rights were more of a precaution

[00:28:53] you know everybody was super Catholic in this area but jack done told michael that he had to act

[00:28:59] immediately or the real Bridget would be lost forever he said quote it is not your wife is there

[00:29:06] this is the eighth day and you had a right to have gone to gainy or Dennis gainy the local fairy doctor

[00:29:12] on the fifth day so by the eighth day of wife being sick in bed jack done is telling michael what are

[00:29:20] you doing the fairies took your wife we know this because this lady's too hot yeah you get to go

[00:29:26] see the fairy doctor so michael hold on wait question what was the fucking shit about five days where

[00:29:32] it's like there's another guy who's not the cousin who's a fairy doctor in town yep who's also

[00:29:39] like you got a five day window to use me well anything beyond that like your coupons don't work no more

[00:29:46] no no wasn't the window wasn't the window wasn't gainy wouldn't help after five days the window was

[00:29:51] that jack done felt that waiting eight days of your not wife laying in bed was way too long and

[00:29:59] that he should have he had the right to go to the fairy doctor on the fifth day which must have

[00:30:04] been sort of like a local custom or something oh so it was like don't show up before day five

[00:30:10] which is to say that like if your wife still hot longer than five days it's probably a fairy

[00:30:15] in which case go to the fairy doctor I guess yes he had the right to go to the fairy doctor on the

[00:30:20] fifth day I don't know if that's a legal right or if that's just a turn of phrase but yes he should

[00:30:25] have gone earlier he let this go too long so michael finally visited gainy and came back with a

[00:30:30] mixture of herbs that needed to be boiled in quote new milk which is the nutrient rich first milk

[00:30:35] produced by a cow after calving which again is starting to get into like homunculus territory here

[00:30:41] yeah very specific I guess he somehow found the new milk which sounds like pretty difficult but I

[00:30:46] guess it's maybe they had plenty of cows but that night michael forced this whole concoction down

[00:30:51] Bridget's throat while done and three male cousins pinned her down in bed I don't like that

[00:30:56] relatives outside the house heard someone likely michael shouting take it you which or I'll kill you

[00:31:03] and the men through urine at Bridget and shook her yelling away with you come home Bridget

[00:31:09] Boland in the name of god michael asked his wife then to answer her name three times are you

[00:31:15] Bridget Boland wife of michael clearing in the name of god the men then brought her to the fireplace

[00:31:21] and held her over the great because or deals by fire were known to drive out the fairies while

[00:31:27] they repeated their questions wait why was they why that fire what was gonna dry out I think they

[00:31:32] basically were trying to torture the fairy out of her this is a bad situation for a sick woman

[00:31:39] that you're trying to turn into fow grá by force feeding them shit fatty milks yeah feeding them

[00:31:45] fatty milks tossing them by a fire they're covered in fucking pee like this isn't this is a

[00:31:51] shit night for anybody well by midnight the ritual seemed to be completed Bridget was apparently

[00:31:57] wild and deranged according to her cousin Joanna who was there but michael seemed satisfied

[00:32:03] and her relatives thought there had been some sort of catharsis so yeah if someone force fed you

[00:32:08] through pee on you toss to a fire yeah I feel like you'd be a different person yeah yeah you would be

[00:32:15] so the following morning at michael's request the priest said mass in Bridget's bedroom to banish

[00:32:20] the evil spirits that were left in the house the priest who came in it was like uh wreaks like piss

[00:32:25] and milk in here what the fuck did you guys do well listen religious rituals back then who knows

[00:32:30] I'm sure he'd smelled plenty of weird things no it's the 1890s like the automobiles on the way like

[00:32:36] I don't yeah I think that priest is just using holy water and stuff that's true that's true like

[00:32:40] he's not using pagan ritual shit but keep in mind none of this was really a secret like neighbors

[00:32:46] heard screaming all night they were just too afraid to intervene or or do anything they just kind

[00:32:51] of kept to themselves yeah take that people who are like nobody knows their neighbors anymore

[00:32:56] America's changed yeah I know this isn't America but it's always been that way it's always been like

[00:33:01] did you hear fucking gunshots yeah let's not deal with that yeah someone was just shot by the way

[00:33:06] like three apartments down oh a woman like shot her boyfriend to death and uh did you hear it we

[00:33:11] heard a lot of sirens and uh there's just that like four rent sign on their now and I'm like I'm like

[00:33:19] oh man glad I didn't feel the need to stick my nose into their business you know yeah

[00:33:23] I do always find a four rent sign funny after an event yeah the next day on Friday March 15th

[00:33:31] Bridget got out of bed and dressed in her usual fashionable clothes for the first time in 11 days

[00:33:38] I guess she forgave her husband or Michael was glad that she was back because everything seemed

[00:33:44] to be fine until later in the day when Michael and Bridget had some family members over to the

[00:33:49] cottage for tea during this tea time Bridget made the horrendous mistake apparently of asking

[00:33:57] for some milk which rekindled Michael suspicions that she was still possessed by a changeling

[00:34:04] because fairies are known fairies are known to yearn for fresh milk you fed her milk last night yeah

[00:34:11] nobody asked for milk you burst a door open and we're like drink this milk drink this milk

[00:34:16] like that okay per usual it's bad husband it's always always look to the husband first yeah

[00:34:22] like believe women an argument broke out over the milk apparently and Bridget snapped and said

[00:34:29] to her husband your mother used to go with the fairies and that is why you think I am going with

[00:34:36] them oh shit in front of other family members yeah so snap back she called his mom a fairy loving

[00:34:43] whore this seemed to send Michael right over the edge he demanded that Bridget eat three pieces

[00:34:50] of bread and jam and say her name again each time she answered twice in a two of the three pieces

[00:34:58] but when she hesitated with the third her husband flung her to the ground and said if you won't take

[00:35:02] it down you will go oh in front of the entire family Michael forced the bread and jam down

[00:35:08] Bridget's throat he tore off her clothes and grabbed a hot stick from the fire and held it to her

[00:35:14] mouth okay a neighbor not wanting to get involved I get it but like your whole family sucks yeah

[00:35:19] like if no one's being like Michael please like yeah that's fucking a shit family dude

[00:35:25] but like a neighbor being like well they're at it again yeah these were her cousins and I think

[00:35:30] her father was there for this so he struck her head against the floor and then set her like

[00:35:36] undergarments for his chemise on fire and then poured paraffin lamp oil over her to encourage

[00:35:42] the flames to burn hotter so he killed her he killed her her body's burning in the middle of the

[00:35:47] house in front of all these people and Michael said she's not my wife she's an old deceiver sent

[00:35:53] in place of my wife Bridget according to the family testimony blazed up all in a minute

[00:35:59] and then they ran and huddled in a nearby bedroom the flames got so big that they barricaded

[00:36:05] the family in the room good and then once the flames went out Michael wrapped his wife's body

[00:36:11] in a sheet and shoved it in an old bag he left the house locked the relatives inside with the corpse

[00:36:18] and then he came back after an hour with a knife and threatening to kill Bridget's cousin Patrick

[00:36:23] Kennedy if he didn't help him bury Bridget's body did there's more of you than this guy just like

[00:36:28] fucking rush the terrorists at this point yeah I don't know it's unclear like we have all this

[00:36:34] testimony because there was a court case which will get to in a second and everybody gave testimony

[00:36:40] in open court so we have a pretty good you know version of events it's a little unclear why

[00:36:46] anybody was going along with this other than maybe they were just so scared of Michael for

[00:36:51] whatever reason that they were like okay or they were like came over to be like I ever hear to see

[00:36:56] how Bridget's doing and bringing some tea and like I understand you guys had a rough couple days

[00:37:01] she's been ill and then they get there and they're like damn do you remember Bridget being seven feet tall

[00:37:08] and it was like maybe Michael's on to something I don't remember her being a fucking NBA player

[00:37:15] the two men Patrick and Michael carried Bridget's body to a boggy area about a quarter mile uphill

[00:37:21] from the cottage and buried it in a shallow hole back at the cottage Michael made the rest of the

[00:37:25] family swear that they wouldn't tell the authorities then the next morning Michael turned up at a

[00:37:30] local church with good old Jack Dunn who wanted Michael to speak to a priest but Michael was so upset

[00:37:36] that he was just nearly in front of the altar weeping Terry his hair and asking to go to confession

[00:37:43] and at this point the priest was like this guy's not fit to receive the sacramid of confession

[00:37:49] and Dunn tried to explain that he wasn't at the cottage at the time of Bridget's death

[00:37:56] but Michael had claimed to burn his wife to death the night before because she was a changeling

[00:38:01] oh where did you get that idea from Dunn did someone tell him about his wife might be a fucking

[00:38:06] changeling yeah sounds like Jack Dunn has some culpability in all this

[00:38:10] the priest understandably thought they were both insane and reported their conversation to the

[00:38:15] police which I feel like I mean I guess technically it wasn't confession he wasn't getting confession

[00:38:21] yeah but for a priest to be like you know you guys are nuts I'm going to the police you really

[00:38:26] have to be presenting I feel like as very crazy presenting as Protestant yeah that too

[00:38:33] for the next few days the police search for Bridget and question the friends and relatives

[00:38:37] Michael was banging on that his real wife would come back for three consecutive nights he waited

[00:38:43] at the ring for it on Kyla Granahill where he believes she would appear galloping on a white horse

[00:38:48] and that if he cut the ropes the bouncer to the horse she would be his forever which she would

[00:38:54] have been yours forever if you didn't burn her to death and throw her in a bog yeah if you didn't

[00:39:00] fucking terrorize a person for 48 hours and killer in front of her family good shot you'd still

[00:39:05] be together yeah on Wednesday March 20th so this is all happening over the span of like a couple days

[00:39:10] she first got sick I think I'm like March 4th or something to people in town are just we're

[00:39:15] looking at fucking almost two weeks people aren't getting their eggs delivered yeah and for at least a

[00:39:20] day or two they were being delivered by a seven-foot tall hottie oh my god yeah I imagine her like

[00:39:28] what's the name of that the woman in like resident evil nine or whatever the eight-foot tall

[00:39:33] the giant test what the fuck would I know that how to who's still playing resident evil you know

[00:39:38] nine installments in lots of people anyway on Wednesday March 20th the royal Irish consumables

[00:39:43] issued a rest warrants for eight people from Bridget's circle as well as the fairy doctor Dennis Ganey

[00:39:49] who they should have arrested that guy if you like a long time ago yeah Dennis Ganey is no good dude

[00:39:55] yeah two days later the cops found Bridget's body and then just a few months later beginning

[00:40:00] in July 1895 after a two-day trial Michael was found guilty of manslaughter I'm sorry Michael the

[00:40:08] husband Michael was found guilty of manslaughter he should be found guilty of first degree murder she

[00:40:15] didn't dart out in front of his car and see her get this though get this though get this so he was

[00:40:21] found guilty of manslaughter and imprisoned along with jack done Bridget's father Patrick Boland

[00:40:26] who lived at the house and four of Bridget's cousins including Patrick Kennedy who helped bury

[00:40:31] the body the judge ruled out a verdict of murder because they had all acted out of genuine belief

[00:40:37] that's come on now so in 1895 eight people got away with a group murder because the judge was like

[00:40:47] they thought she was a changeling can you blame them you know that's that's so dumb I guess that

[00:40:54] means that fairy folklore was so deep in that culture yes that they genuinely even people in

[00:41:03] positions of power like judges and stuff yeah we're like I don't know my mother told me about

[00:41:08] fairies when I was a kid and here grandmother told her about fairies like the turn of the century is

[00:41:13] about to happen yeah yeah and they're still being like yeah fucking could have been you know for all

[00:41:18] we know they're still getting away with murder over there the fairies we have at least one

[00:41:22] president in law we have at least one or two Irish listeners I think let us know can you get

[00:41:27] away with murder if you plead insanity through fairy worry not even insanity just you just plead

[00:41:32] sane and that your wife was a fairy or was a changeling and it you had to get rid of her so to be

[00:41:39] fair there is some evidence that Bridget may have had a lover and that that may have had something

[00:41:43] to do with that doesn't make it okay you're not allowed to no my girlfriend's cheating on me

[00:41:48] that gives me the right to terrorizer then later on fine no no in no way am I saying let me be

[00:41:54] clear let me be clear folks let me be clear to I'm not saying that it makes it okay but I mean

[00:41:59] it also shouldn't be something to evoke or elicit a response what I'm getting at like it's this guy

[00:42:06] sucks and I don't care if she was fucking everybody and the fairies well the fairies that would make it

[00:42:12] more like then he was right there a fairy I agree with you when I'm saying is in maybe to

[00:42:18] be fair as the wrong phrase you're having a hard time not saying in defense of michael no I'm

[00:42:22] not saying in defensive michael I'm saying sure sounds like it no what I'm saying is did Michael

[00:42:28] really believe this or was michael mad about something else and found a way to try to get away with

[00:42:35] killing his wife by acting like he truly believes she was abducted and replaced by changeling sure

[00:42:41] this is a picket fence is episode now it's like okay my plan was I can murder someone and use

[00:42:47] the belief structure in this town of fairies to have a 80% chance of getting there with murder yes

[00:42:53] and he ended up knocking it out of the park because he's like if I just put that crazy look in my

[00:42:58] eye if I'm afraid of fairies and do it in front of enough people that I might get away with this

[00:43:03] and he did and what's a manslaughter charge get you over there 13 days 14 days I don't know

[00:43:08] something like that long enough for the new milks to come back and then you're back home but

[00:43:14] yeah no that's my point is just there's only three things that happened here either she was

[00:43:20] replaced by a changeling which is extremely unlikely michael went crazy and truly believed it

[00:43:27] or there was something else motivating the murder of his wife and what I'm saying is there is

[00:43:32] evidence that she may have had a lover and that might have played into why he would have wanted

[00:43:37] to kill her and then he pretended I hope I hope she was a fairy because the rest of it is greasy and

[00:43:44] I feel that if she wasn't a fairy her dad's a massive pussy true he was there and he just let it

[00:43:50] happen that guy should get extra time in prison for being a little bitch so here's the other really

[00:43:57] interesting part again not in defense of michael but he wasn't diagnosed by a psychiatrist at the time

[00:44:03] because psychiatry was still really young as a science at this point but modern psychiatrists

[00:44:10] think he may have been suffering from a rare mental disorder known as capgrab delusion

[00:44:16] and I won't say too much about capgrab delusion because I think we could do a whole episode on it

[00:44:20] okay but it's one of the scariest mental illnesses I've ever heard of it's the belief that a loved one

[00:44:26] family member friend or even pet has been replaced by an imposter so this is a real mental illness

[00:44:33] that people can have where they wake up one day and they look at their wife and go that's not my

[00:44:39] wife and capgrab delusion wasn't described until about 20 years after this case went down in the

[00:44:46] early 1900s but it does certainly sound like something that might explain michael's extreme behavior

[00:44:52] because in modern cases you know people have bought guns they've shot at their loved ones they've

[00:44:58] hidden from them they've locked themselves away because they're sure that this person that they've

[00:45:03] known their whole lives is no longer this person so I mean that could just be dementia it is

[00:45:08] closely related to dementia and schizophrenia but it happens to younger people too like that's

[00:45:13] what capgrab delusion is it's basically a very specific dementia that happens to people who aren't

[00:45:19] going through dementia yet so you know the history of belief and changelings could also be rooted in

[00:45:26] some of those stories but I think the thing that kind of undercuts that idea for him is that there

[00:45:31] was that idea in that culture that this is not out of the realm of possibility as evidenced by a

[00:45:38] judge agreeing with that I mean yes could that guy have snapped and had this disease or whatever

[00:45:44] the fuck it is sure but if anything if he had it it wasn't combated in any way if anything it was

[00:45:51] supported they didn't come in and be like no your wife's it is who she says it is you just have

[00:45:57] capgrab disease or whatever no they were like oh no she probably is and you here's here's a bunch

[00:46:02] of weird remedies well right I guess what I'm saying is I wonder I wonder if the lore of changelings

[00:46:09] is really the sort of secret history of capgrab disease or capgrab delusion in the sense that people

[00:46:16] who truly believe this in the past are all suffering from the same mental disorder and it was not

[00:46:24] understood as a mental disorder it was well we need an explanation like there's always been schizophrenic

[00:46:29] people and modern schizophrenic people think the CIA is talking to them through a radio transmission

[00:46:35] in their molar and schizophrenic people back in you know there's been stories of people who like talk

[00:46:41] to what's a call there was like some ancient misculeo trans now there was some like ancient like

[00:46:49] transmission machine or something that I remember I've read stories of people who have thought

[00:46:54] that that's what it was communicating with them like mental illness is in the past would have

[00:46:58] expressed themselves as folklore not mental illness is is I think what I'm saying okay sure

[00:47:04] I'm saying it's a tough thing to diagnose when you have folklore so I'm saying is the folklore

[00:47:09] will blame it's what you're saying as well yes folklore will blanket any underlying issue we're

[00:47:14] saying the same thing yeah you might even say we're going in fairy circles oh

[00:47:21] up within some CSI music yeah that will get sued for which is a great transition to the next

[00:47:27] part of this episode because we're about to learn about fairy circles it's one of the other elements

[00:47:31] that is associated with fairy abductions and I think also has some parallels to alien abductions so

[00:47:38] fairy circles are places in the world that are naturally occurring where there's either a circle

[00:47:43] of mushrooms that grows in almost a perfect circle or sometimes it just looks like shorter or dead

[00:47:49] grass that's in a circle and back in the olden days times of your these circles were rumored to be

[00:47:58] where fairies hung out and sometimes when it was the dead grass it was like where fairies had

[00:48:03] danced in a circle the night before but it turns out we now know fairy circles are naturally

[00:48:09] occurring and they form when there's about 60 different species of fungi that do this but

[00:48:15] they're formed when these species of fungi grow into natural circle formations below ground

[00:48:21] and then sprout up into a ring of mushrooms the reason that sometimes you find them in the form

[00:48:26] of dead or short grass whether the mushrooms have grown or if they've been knocked over or whatever

[00:48:32] it's because the mushrooms the mycelium I think it's called the roots of the mushrooms even beneath

[00:48:38] the soil have a nitrogen heavy diet so they'll feed on all the nitrogen in the soil causing the

[00:48:43] grass above ground in the pattern of where the mycelium is all that grass will wither so these

[00:48:51] fairy circles are also not always cute little rings they can get massive one of the largest

[00:48:56] fairy circles ever found is in bell for it near northeastern France it's formed by a fungus called

[00:49:03] inf in fun dibby loose cybay geochropa it's formed by a fungus what we're saying is it's just

[00:49:08] formed by a fungus yeah it's formed by a specific type of fungus and it is 300 meters or 980 feet

[00:49:16] in diameter and over 700 years old so these fairy circles could get big and they've been around

[00:49:23] for a very long time and the reason that I think they have parallels in abduction lore

[00:49:28] is because they remind me a lot of crop circles in the sense that they are seen as markers

[00:49:33] of something inexplicable they're not entirely the same because crop circles have been pretty

[00:49:37] conclusively proven to be the work of pranksters and artists where fairy circles are these natural

[00:49:42] formations but the idea that the supernatural expresses itself through symbols in the earth feels almost

[00:49:48] primal to me just as an aside who's to say what causes crop circles anyway because the modern

[00:49:54] idea of the crop circle started in the 1970s but researchers have discovered a small little

[00:50:00] woodcut book called the mowing devil that describes something that sounds a lot like a crop circle

[00:50:06] back in 1678 wow basically this little book tells the tale of a farmer who was too cheap to pay

[00:50:12] laborers to cut his oats and so overnight the devil did the job instead but it's described as

[00:50:18] the devil cutting these oats into round circles and the accompanying woodcut shows this little

[00:50:24] picture of a demon crouching over the oats which lie in crop circle like rings all around him so

[00:50:30] wait so the devil rewarded that man for being a fucking miser I guess I'll do it I guess I thought

[00:50:36] there was going to be some sort of you know oh Henry thing in that story where it was like and then

[00:50:40] the devil cut his crops but salted the earth at the same time to show I don't know maybe cutting

[00:50:45] them in circles was a bad thing I'm not sure everyone's gonna make fun of you yeah yeah like what

[00:50:51] it doesn't really matter crop circles are for another time what's important here today is that

[00:50:56] most fairy rings play another important role in fairy abduction stories sometimes they are just

[00:51:02] evidence of where fairies were said to have danced tonight before but in other stories they're the

[00:51:06] place where our world and the fairy world cross over so fairy abduction stories don't involve

[00:51:12] getting sucked up into the sky the way we imagine alien abductions today they usually feature

[00:51:18] the adductee discovering the fairy circle and being transported to another world or dimension after

[00:51:24] stepping through it or sometimes if the fairies are being mischievous and abducting a human they take

[00:51:31] the human to one of these circles to whisk them to the fairy realm sure which is a totally different

[00:51:37] yeah I mean you can call it a dimension you can call it the space between spaces but yes it's

[00:51:43] a different place and people when they step through into that fairy realm that's where things get

[00:51:48] a lot more interesting and a lot more alien abduction ask because sometimes people would be in

[00:51:54] the fairy realm for what seems like only minutes to them only to be reported missing for days weeks

[00:52:00] or even years at a time yeah I gotta love that I love I love any kind of time dilation yeah

[00:52:05] element of a story because it's always such a bummer unless it's like dragon ball z where it's

[00:52:10] like oh you know a day here is a year in there yeah we can train for a year for this fight in two

[00:52:15] days I do like that too that's very uh I think a wrinkle in time has time dilation as well yeah and

[00:52:21] like you know in that like kind of reverse way where it's you can use it to your own benefit but

[00:52:24] almost every other time it's I maybe it's gonna come up I don't know but like an interesting got

[00:52:30] fucked over by time dilation is also flight of the navigator yeah well flight of the navigator

[00:52:35] isn't specifically going to come up but I mean it's an alien abduction yes that has time dilation

[00:52:40] yeah also when I was a kid kind of made it seem like aliens are fun and cool yep which was a lie

[00:52:45] as we know and he's lying who's huge lie scene fire in the sky knows so there's another book besides

[00:52:51] a wrinkle in time that has a lot of time dilation shenanigans and that book is captured by fairies

[00:52:57] folk tales of kidnappings which is a book I found online and if you sign up for like one of the free

[00:53:05] amazon unlimited kindle trials or something you can download it it's a translation of a bunch

[00:53:12] of different folk tales I'm not sure where they were originally sourced from but there's a couple

[00:53:17] really wild stories in this book that feel very alien abduction adjacent to me sure one of them

[00:53:24] is a young boy who's picking flowers when he hears music coming from the woods so he follows this

[00:53:29] music deep into the woods and starts to get nervous realizes he's pretty deep in there and he's

[00:53:35] thinking about turning back when quote an invisible being crushed down all the low and tangled plants

[00:53:42] thus forming for him a passage which also sounds a little bit like crop circles to me

[00:53:48] and the boy follows this path to a small lake where he says it's suddenly night time in the sky is

[00:53:53] full of stars he grows tired falls asleep and returns home days later even though he thought he

[00:54:00] only fell asleep for one night and then the other alien abduction part of this is that after he gets

[00:54:06] back he tells his parents the story of what happened and he says that when he fell asleep he was

[00:54:12] taken by a beautiful woman who showed him palaces of the most gorgeous description beautiful love

[00:54:18] it pillars of glass supported arches which glistened with every color and these were hung with crystals

[00:54:24] far exceeding anything which were ever seen in the caverns of a Cornish mine oh wow hey you know

[00:54:30] that reminds me of visually what the hell's that movie that you fucking loved midnight man after midnight

[00:54:35] I know what the hell's up with the kid on the line yeah the invisible midnight boy not midnight sky

[00:54:41] uh this movie has an excellent first 20 minutes yes yes that's the part that I liked when we

[00:54:46] saw the movie we talked about it those first 20 minutes I was like they're amazing fuck this is

[00:54:51] perfect they're amazing if only they had put the title of the movie in that first 20 minutes who would

[00:54:54] have remembered it 2016 midnight special is the movie they're talking about anyway the imagery later

[00:55:03] in that film when you see kind of the alien worldish stuff yes very somewhat what you're describing

[00:55:08] yeah yeah well you know I think a lot of different alien crystal kingdoms and stuff i mean even

[00:55:14] Superman's dad gave him a bunch of crystals they're crystal based economies yeah it also reminds me

[00:55:18] of what people see sometimes on acid or you know they'll they'll see i've never seen those things

[00:55:24] on acid well you haven't but other people have that well there's another story in this book of an old

[00:55:31] man returning from affair and stopping along the road to take a nap when he was sound asleep the

[00:55:37] fairies came and carried him off bag and all and took him under the earth and when he awoke he

[00:55:42] found himself in a great palace of gold full of fairies dancing and singing and they took him and

[00:55:48] showed him everything the splendid gold room and gardens and they kept dancing round him until he

[00:55:53] fell asleep when he was asleep they carried him back to the same spot where they had found him and

[00:55:58] when he awoke he thought he had been dreaming so another very similar this is gold instead of

[00:56:05] crystal but a sparkling shiny polatial world this is also he says underground but i don't know

[00:56:11] how he knew it was underground you get the idea yeah but it also sounds very similar like until you

[00:56:16] can make the comparison between that and traditional alien abductions in the sense that there is

[00:56:20] a lot of like oh i was here and then i was returned to the same spot yes yeah yeah yeah there are

[00:56:26] stories in this book of people gone 20 years and even a bride who on her wedding night joins fairies

[00:56:33] for a dance in the fairy circle and returns the next morning only to discover that 100 years have

[00:56:39] passed oh my god i thought it was like god damn that's brutal a couple of years run away bride yeah

[00:56:47] but this is why you and i don't dance you know we just got we established what i need to dance

[00:56:52] on the show before it's the whole pharmaceutical cabinet yeah so now i mean on that point there is

[00:56:57] a lot more dancing and seems involved in fairy abductions than alien abductions yeah uh so that's

[00:57:04] a point in the column that these are completely different phenomenon i do like the idea of someone

[00:57:08] like talking to you abductees or experiencers and they just have like a clipboard with a checklist

[00:57:14] they just have to go through it was like okay were you taken for a long period of time jack all right

[00:57:18] were you taking uh in return to the same place jack did you see circles whether normally weren't jack

[00:57:25] it's like right now it's thought at 50 50 were there a lot of dancing guess there was okay well

[00:57:30] i'm happy to inform you that it was fairies it wasn't aliens you know aliens don't know how to

[00:57:34] boogie although i mean it also it would be very funny to imagine an alien abduction where you get on

[00:57:39] the ship and instead of getting probed and stuff the aliens they put on some dubstep and you're there

[00:57:45] to dance oh my god so for hundreds of years across every continent and culture for a spirits of some

[00:57:57] type get up to this kind of shit it's all very interesting and maybe if fairy dances are scary to

[00:58:03] you we'll do a follow-up podcast exclusively about folklore abductions and fairy dancing but

[00:58:08] you people are here for the aliens and we've teased you long enough so let's just say

[00:58:14] it's some point between the 1600s and 1947 there was an evolution in our beliefs and stories about

[00:58:22] what was out there or up there and 1947 is the year it really took off because that's the year

[00:58:28] that Kenneth Arnold a pilot spots a formation of strange flying objects while he's flying near

[00:58:34] mountain ranear he describes them flying like saucers skipping across the water which the press

[00:58:40] just shortens to flying saucers and within a few years people are reporting not just sightings

[00:58:45] of these alien ships but contact with various kinds of beings piloting them and this is where I

[00:58:50] think the development of these stories as modern myth gets really interesting because until Betty

[00:58:56] and Barney Hill are abducted in 1961 the idea of aliens taking people against their will is almost

[00:59:02] unheard of almost I say because we'll get to that okay but what there's lots of in the late 1940s

[00:59:10] through the 1950s are contactees not abductees people who claim that they have made telepathic or

[00:59:17] physical contact with aliens and again each of these guys were about to discuss probably needs their

[00:59:23] own podcast because they lived absolutely insane lives one of the first public contactees in America

[00:59:30] came in 1952 there's this man or feo angelucci who sounds like he would fit right in in my family

[00:59:38] yeah fellow spaghetti twirl and noodle bender all right or feo angelucci sounds like a brand of noodle

[00:59:43] I feel like it's just true it's like a little it's either a little bit better or a little bit worse

[00:59:48] yeah then the traditional what's for dinner tonight angelucci anyway back at angelucci

[00:59:55] uh in 1952 or feo angelucci who is a frail man who moved from New Jersey to California because he

[01:00:04] was afraid of thunderstorms and heard they didn't have any in California really don't they really

[01:00:08] don't it's crazy he claimed to have encountered a UFO while driving home from work in burbank

[01:00:15] of all places oh yeah he was a Disney animator yeah as he crossed a bridge over the Los Angeles river

[01:00:22] he noticed a blue ball of light following him he said the circular light was roughly the size

[01:00:27] of a beach ball and as soon as he noticed it quickly shifted its trajectory and appeared in front

[01:00:31] of the car angelucci slowed down and saw two green balls of light exit the larger blue one

[01:00:37] and start drifting towards him god he watched it give birth it's so rare so rare to see an orb

[01:00:43] birth well it truly gave birth because the two green balls of light united he said to form a

[01:00:50] larger ball of light that became the disembodied images of superhuman extraterrestrial humanoids

[01:00:56] resembling the faces of a male and female so it was two separate beings yes okay so the orb

[01:01:02] spit out Adam and Eve basically yes that's how I took and nowhere in here was it mentioned

[01:01:07] that it was a being with two heads so I'm assuming it was an Adam and Eve type thing yeah

[01:01:12] angelucci was asked to spread a message of peace and love and interconnectedness of all things

[01:01:18] after that the being stated they would return they disappeared and they left angelucci in shock as

[01:01:24] he continued his journey home this encounter like I said this guy could have his own podcast but it

[01:01:29] changed his whole life became obsessed with UFOs wrote a bunch of books had a bunch more encounters

[01:01:34] but he was never abducted that was 1952 in 1953 there's George Van Tassel who claims to have been

[01:01:42] woken up one night by quote the occupant of a spaceship from the planet Venus who invited him on

[01:01:48] board his spaceship and both verbally and telepathically gave him a technique for rejuvenating the

[01:01:53] human body oh I think it was a babe because an women are from Venus they say that's true that's true

[01:02:00] I almost did a whole thing on this and then it started to get kind of confusing because there's so

[01:02:03] many names and stuff but a lot of these early beings do claim to be from Venus which I think is a

[01:02:08] really interesting you know sci-fi detail element of like at the time all we really knew about Venus

[01:02:14] was that it was covered in heavy clouds sure and no one knew until I don't even remember if it was

[01:02:20] like the 70s or the 80s but it took a long time for us to be able to learn anything else about

[01:02:25] Venus and there were theories that it might be a planet that could have life beneath the cloud cover

[01:02:31] so I wonder if that's why you see in the early 50s here so many of these beings being from Venus

[01:02:37] because we were pretty sure at that point that Mars didn't have any life you know so Martians

[01:02:42] were almost passe and now it's Venusians it's the next one over I mean it's it's our closest

[01:02:48] neighbor so true they're probably like hey yeah we came over it's the shortest drive from planet to

[01:02:53] planet so Venus would would make sense you can see it in the night sky it's right there yeah that's

[01:03:00] probably why if they were like hey I'm from Pluto I was expecting to meet Amiba here it took so damn

[01:03:06] long right well in 1954 George Van Tassel got to work with a group of fellow believers that he

[01:03:12] brought out to the desert to use these instructions to build the integrator which is this dome shaped

[01:03:18] structure out in the desert that I believe is still standing if it's California there's no reason

[01:03:23] for it to have like rusted away yeah yeah I think you can visit this place let's go let's go next

[01:03:28] weekend oh dude we should broadcast from the integrator on they probably won't let us

[01:03:32] so the integrator was this sort of dome shape structure in the desert that Vantassil believed

[01:03:39] would facilitate this technique for rejuvenating the human body as well as time travel and continued

[01:03:46] communication with these other worldly beings interestingly enough George Van Tassel worked with

[01:03:52] orfeo angelucci at the same Lockheed manufacturing plant at the time that this happened

[01:03:58] shit though it's unclear from what I can tell how well they knew each other and it doesn't seem like

[01:04:04] they ever they didn't have like a YouTube collab at any point where they were like we believe

[01:04:09] the same thing yeah they were just two guys from the same place you had maybe there was some weird

[01:04:14] chemicals in the Lockheed plant I mean their skunk works was probably making cool shit so I don't

[01:04:19] know yeah I mean they could have found each other there'd probably be the only two people with

[01:04:23] sitting with no one else at lunch yeah yeah also in 1953 a guy named George Adamski claims

[01:04:32] to have met a man from Venus named orthon in the Colorado desert according to Adamski's account

[01:04:38] this large submarine looking ship made of a type of translucent metal landed close to him and it's

[01:04:44] pilot of a newsie in called orthon disembarked and saw him out Adamski claimed that people with him

[01:04:51] also saw the venusianship and several of them later stated that the cute bin in the desert with

[01:04:56] friends so several of them later stated they could see a damski meeting someone in the desert

[01:05:01] although from a considerable distance at amski described orthon as being a medium height humanoid

[01:05:08] with long blonde hair and tan skin wearing reddish brown shoes though as a damski added quote his

[01:05:16] trousers were not like mine okay which is such a funny sci fi line he was wearing jenko's big

[01:05:22] jenko jeans it was crazy he was dressed like a skater boy and damski was meeting Fred

[01:05:27] Durst in the desert that day oh my god he comes from planet halfpipe

[01:05:33] damski said that orthon communicated with him via telepathy and through hand signals which seems

[01:05:39] way less advanced than yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah feel like you've got one or the

[01:05:45] other not both no i think you get both because if you try and speak to me with telepathy i'm going

[01:05:50] to freak out being like what's this other voice and maybe i'll like want to throw hands and then he'll

[01:05:54] have to put up his hands to be like hey bro don't hit me i'm just talking into your head you know

[01:05:59] what i mean so i think that's also that's fucking language putting up like a please don't hit me

[01:06:03] two hands up yeah that's true i guess if you communicate telepathically you need to at least know

[01:06:08] the hand gesture pointing to your head and then pointing to their head yeah exactly like hey

[01:06:13] that's not that's me in there i'm professor Charles Xavier yeah orthon warned damski of the

[01:06:18] dangers of nuclear war although he would unfortunately not allow himself to be photographed so

[01:06:26] can i get it can i get a snap can i get a shot no literally at amski asked him if you could take

[01:06:30] a photo and he said no and then there's this whole lot this is one of those like these

[01:06:35] it's all podcast there's a whole other subplot where a damski gave orthon a blank not a blank

[01:06:41] piece of film like a blank photo plate okay you know like a big one and later received it back

[01:06:48] with like messages imprinted on it and so there's all these other stories of a damski and orthon

[01:06:53] but really the reason i tell these three stories here is just to say alien abductions when they

[01:07:01] weird their head culturally kind of came out of nowhere it's not like the first people who ever

[01:07:06] met aliens were getting abducted most of them were meeting people or people like beings that were

[01:07:14] coming out of spaceships often introducing themselves as being from venus and also warning us

[01:07:21] of the dangers of nuclear war also could be that Venetian or Venetian aliens just don't have

[01:07:28] interest in it and maybe the abductors are a different fucking type of alien all these stories

[01:07:33] are you being like hey can't take your picture can i come with you can we be friends in all of

[01:07:38] these stories you told so far have been like you know what i have plenty of fucking friends it was

[01:07:42] nice to meet you yeah i'm getting back at my ship we kind of thought you guys would be cooler honestly

[01:07:48] and it seems like you're lame and dumb so we're gonna go listen to alien fucking dance music up there

[01:07:53] that you guys will never know about you the hose boys have a number one record on venus my god

[01:07:58] did you imagine if the hose boys were they yeah they were they're huge the hose boys like we're huge

[01:08:04] on Venus so remember those like i'm big in Europe type t-shirts are yeah the hose boys big on Venus

[01:08:10] but do you ever get that album live in downtown Venus i wouldn't get that album but man if

[01:08:15] I were a fan of the show i would love that on a t-shirt oh shit okay yeah well we'll work on it

[01:08:21] more promises we made yeah so i tell these stories just to show the primary mode of interaction with

[01:08:26] aliens culturally was these sort of contacts and meetings and then in 1957 we get what might be

[01:08:34] the first recorded alien abduction case in human history this happened to a man named Antonio

[01:08:41] Villas Boas a 23 year old Brazilian farmer and this it happened in Brazil on October 15th 1957 he

[01:08:49] was up late at night plowing fields in what must have been the dark to avoid to avoid the scorching

[01:08:57] hot temperatures of the Brazilian day and it was as he was plowing the fields that he looked up

[01:09:03] and he saw what he described as a red star in the night sky so already kind of spooky sure

[01:09:09] according to his story this star approached him in the field and grew larger until it became

[01:09:15] recognizable as a roughly circular or egg-shaped aerial craft with a red light at its front and a

[01:09:21] rotating dome on top the craft began to descend and landed in the field where it extended three legs

[01:09:28] as it did so now i'm immediately suspicious because i don't know what advanced alien craft needs

[01:09:35] a tripod landing gear like these things are crossing unimaginable gaps of space in time but when

[01:09:42] they get close to the ground all of a sudden someone has to like turn a giant crank and extend a

[01:09:48] couple rickety legs yeah i mean it's i mean the one in flight of the navigator doesn't need landing gear

[01:09:53] but you know it's um it's possible i guess it's possible maybe they don't want to scare anyone but

[01:09:58] being too advanced you know maybe they want to show up with some of these jaloppies so that we

[01:10:02] don't completely freak out something a little more familiar to us but that's like saying if we ever

[01:10:07] visited you know the andromeda galaxy that we would do it in a spaceship that looks like

[01:10:12] the lunar lander or something i mean realistically it will but uh yeah i don't know i guess

[01:10:18] it's weird but it's not that weird i mean i didn't think of it if anything i thought about is

[01:10:21] that the way you described it is just so like the very traditional sci-fi UFO shape yes like

[01:10:28] almost like tropey how how much that is what you described yes it's also very much sputnik shaped

[01:10:34] which had launched a month prior but nana's no way sputnik's like a fucking circle with like

[01:10:40] antennae hanging off the back yeah that's his drawing kind of looks like that oh so the way you

[01:10:45] described it i saw it as like a flying saucer like a dome on top of another thing i think i can

[01:10:51] find one of the pictures he drew pictures of it i think okay but yes sputnik would have launched

[01:10:55] 57 yeah it was literally a month earlier so you know the sputnik look also plays into that sci-fi

[01:11:02] three-legged spherical kind of thing anyway boas freaks out and tries to make a run for it on his

[01:11:08] tractor but its lights and engines die after just going a short distance so he takes off on foot

[01:11:14] in his grab by a five-foot tall humanoid wearing gray coveralls on a helmet its eyes were small

[01:11:21] in blue which i was like how if it was wearing a helmet how could you tell but then i found a

[01:11:24] description of the helmets and sounds like there was an opening around the eyes okay so boas can

[01:11:29] see that they were small and blue and instead of speech this humanoid made noises like barks or

[01:11:34] yelps three more beings then joined the first in subduing boas and they dragged him towards the craft

[01:11:42] now again i'm not an expert in extraterrestrial intergalactic transportation design but tell me if

[01:11:48] this sounds like something an alien spaceship would have there was an open doorway towards the rear

[01:11:54] of the craft with the door laying outward horizontally like a castle drawbridge there was a ladder

[01:12:00] hanging from the end of this drawbridge door which appeared to be made of the same silver

[01:12:04] metal as the craft's walls the assailants forced Antonio onto the ladder and he realized it was

[01:12:10] somehow flexible and swung from side to side as he struggled so he had like a metal rope ladder

[01:12:16] hanging from the ass end of a ship yeah that feels more like fairy technology to me i don't know

[01:12:22] i mean i'm not gonna look down my nose at a ship that made it across the cosmos but yeah i don't know

[01:12:27] i don't know it definitely feels a little fucking rickety little janky yeah but once inside boas said

[01:12:34] he was stripped of his clothes and covered head to toe with a strange gel that he said dried quickly

[01:12:41] and was not oil fuck i need that gel do you remember like the shit we used to put in our hairs

[01:12:45] in high school like we're talking late night yeah early 2000s we were still dealing with slippery gross

[01:12:51] gel that hardened all hard and shitty yeah well that covered his entire body and then he was

[01:12:56] led into a large semicircular room through a doorway that had strange red symbols written all over it

[01:13:02] later boas would reproduce these symbols from memory he said he'd memorize them in this room the

[01:13:08] beings took samples of boas's blood from his chin and after this he was taken to a third room where

[01:13:15] he was left alone for what he gets to be about a half an hour during this time some kind of gray

[01:13:21] smoke or gas was pumped to the room which made boas violently ill and he vomited in the corner of

[01:13:26] the room oh boy and then yeah ed do you have some like like a funky groovy beat you could drop

[01:13:33] in here because things are about to get a little spicy oh shit i'll try and find something royalty free

[01:13:40] boas claimed that he was joined in this room by another humanoid but this one was female

[01:13:46] very attractive and very naked oh my gosh yeah she was the same height as the other beings

[01:13:53] hidden countered with a small pointed chin and large blue cat-like eyes the hair on her head

[01:14:00] was long and white but her underarm and pubic hair was bright red so weird somebody's

[01:14:06] somebody's taking some lengths to die everything

[01:14:10] the woman suddenly embraced boas rubbed her head against his face and he said he became more

[01:14:20] roused than he'd ever been before okay this is a room that i guess fucking reeks like vomit

[01:14:26] because he was just throwing up in this room and probably has a vomit on his lips and stuff still

[01:14:30] yeah well it didn't stop the cat woman from rubbing her head against his face again that was how

[01:14:37] she turned him on more hot than he'd ever been in his life okay which i i'm starting to wonder if

[01:14:43] maybe this guy just has a thing like a weird fetish for chins that came out in a fantasy yeah

[01:14:50] because the blood was taken out of his chin the blood was taken from his chin she has a small

[01:14:54] pointed chin he says they so they did that he had sex with this woman and the female did not

[01:15:00] kiss him but instead nipped him on the chin oh wow so there might be some chin-based uh psychology

[01:15:07] going on here yeah he has he's got a chin fetish and uh in this other lady apparently has just

[01:15:13] no nose to smell the room reeks like fucking vomit yeah after they finish the female smiled at boas

[01:15:20] rubbed her belly and gestured upwards boas took this to mean that she was going to raise their

[01:15:25] child in space i i kind of think it just means she was hungry after all that fucking

[01:15:31] thing it's just like i gotta go yeah yeah the cafeteria is upstairs i'm gonna leave you in this

[01:15:40] weird vomit gas chamber yeah for the next people that are coming to have sex with you by the way

[01:15:47] it's not the other way around no one else came by because he boas noted he felt the female

[01:15:54] seems relieved that their quote task was over oh my god that's that i've i've seen that look before

[01:16:02] and boas later said he felt angered by the situation because he felt as though he had been little

[01:16:07] more than a quote good stallion for the humanoids much is so the humanoids gave boas his clothing

[01:16:14] back he got dressed and they took him on a tour of the rest of the ship he did clay but one point

[01:16:19] he tried to take this weird kind of clock like device off the side of desk i guess as proof that

[01:16:27] this encounter was real but he was caught by the humanoids and they took it away from him and they

[01:16:31] wouldn't allow him to take the clock device with him he was then escorted off the ship probably

[01:16:36] because they were like called the bouncer so like it's fucking bad he's trying to rob us now he's

[01:16:41] stealing our clocks yeah dude and he was escorted off the ship and he watches it took off it

[01:16:47] glowed the whole end of the night sky and when he returned home he discovered that four hours had

[01:16:51] passed in the aftermath of this boas developed strange wounds and bruises all over his body

[01:16:59] right or Terry melonson states among boas' symptoms were pains throughout the body

[01:17:04] nausea headaches loss of appetite ceaselessly burning sensations in the eyes

[01:17:10] utaneous lesions at the slightest of light bruising which went on appearing for months looking like

[01:17:16] small reddish nojules harder than the skin around them and protuberant painful when touched

[01:17:21] each with a small central orifice yielding a yellowish thin watery discharge

[01:17:27] the skin surrounding the wounds presented a hyperchromatic violet tinged area

[01:17:33] this guy's taken the break up pretty fucking hard

[01:17:38] yeah he was he's he's he's going through it man

[01:17:43] so we'll get into this in a second doctors did eventually examine him but not until a year later

[01:17:49] and they felt that these wounds could be radiation poisoning but it was too late to accurately

[01:17:55] test for it boas' story has been questioned over the years but he's always stuck to it

[01:18:00] he's never changed any details and he tried to stay out of the spotlight until the 1970s when

[01:18:06] he didn't go on TV to refute what he said were incorrect versions of his story that were starting

[01:18:11] to circulate sure people started being like you know then he was approached by this ugly chinned woman

[01:18:17] and he's like well I got to get on there and say that the chin was really something else I

[01:18:21] actually haven't seen chins like that since that night like it was such a spectacular chin

[01:18:25] they did stuff to my chin do we're not going to get into it everyone's like okay thanks for coming

[01:18:29] to the show please leave yeah thank you thank you for clearing that up also from glad whatever

[01:18:34] the things christias described also cleared up we didn't sleep together we just did chin stuff

[01:18:41] because of my religious upbringing yeah yeah yeah so the other odd part of all of this is like

[01:18:48] the timeline of some UFO stuff is a little bit funky boas' story even though this all happened

[01:18:56] in like 57 the story didn't really get popular until 1961 in the wake of the Betty and Barney Hill

[01:19:05] abduction so there was this period of time where it had happened but really wasn't something that

[01:19:10] anyone knew about nobody was asking questions about when they did start asking questions

[01:19:15] they discovered that the way that Antonio via bolasses story had been discovered

[01:19:23] was that there was a Brazilian writer named Yao martins who wrote the first installment of a magazine

[01:19:30] series titled flying saucers terrible mission for the magazine oh cruciero which was sort of like

[01:19:37] a Brazilian version of life magazine and in this article published in november 1957 he describes

[01:19:44] cases of people in isolated places being attacked by aliens including a case from Venezuela in 1954

[01:19:52] about two boys who discovered a spaceship and small humanoids in the forest near their village

[01:19:58] so anyway martins wrote this and he'd asked readers to write him back with their own experiences

[01:20:04] and among hundreds of responses he received he developed a correspondence with one person

[01:20:10] a young farmer Antonio via seboas so this journalist is the one who discovered boas' story

[01:20:19] because boas was reading the articles that he'd been writing now he saw the call to action yeah

[01:20:25] exactly and they developed this correspondence martins comes to believe Antonio's story in a year

[01:20:32] martins flew boas to Rio de Janeiro where he's examined by doctor olafofonte who's the doctor

[01:20:38] who determined that the injuries that boas suffered resembled those of radiation poisoning but

[01:20:45] the extremely coincidental fact here is that upon questioning boas said he was abducted one day

[01:20:53] after reading martins original article oh what so i read your article and then i took a melatonin

[01:21:00] and i went to bed and i had a crazy dream potentially you know with all this information rattling

[01:21:05] around in my head yes and you know i saw this is what happened before mac tonight i don't know

[01:21:11] what the chin imagery would have been i got him going but uh so yeah so that kind of soures

[01:21:16] a little bit yeah it doesn't necessarily mean he's making all this up memories can be fuzzy

[01:21:20] and it's and i think it's forthcoming of boas to admit to this coincidence you know if you say

[01:21:25] like like if you say that you gotta know it sounds a little weird yeah but he admitted it

[01:21:30] and i agree with you it's possible that the story scared him or otherwise you know worked its

[01:21:35] way deep into his brain and caused some sort of intense sleep paralysis but what caused the Chernobyl

[01:21:40] like effects all over his body yeah that that is that is one of the big unanswered questions

[01:21:47] of this story but back to boas and martins i also don't know how many details were similar

[01:21:52] between boas's account that we just discussed in the writings that martins published because

[01:21:57] i couldn't track down the original article that martins had written so i don't know if it was

[01:22:02] like the same story or it was just people saw aliens once but i'm gonna keep looking to see if

[01:22:08] i can find that article because i'd be very curious and i found some like pdf archives of the

[01:22:13] kurosaro smagazine but i couldn't there were too many issues to go through and i couldn't

[01:22:17] track it down anyway my point is martins was obviously intrigued by boas's account so it's safe

[01:22:23] to assume he wasn't just feeding him back the same story he'd reported or he would be like yeah i've

[01:22:28] read this before yeah yeah there's also the fact complicating things that according to some accounts

[01:22:33] boas and his brothers say they actually started seeing UFOs in the sky a few days or even weeks

[01:22:39] before the abduction occurred which would have been days and weeks before he read the article okay

[01:22:44] so i don't know what point those details started coming out you know i'd be suspicious if that

[01:22:49] started coming out later yeah after people were like that sounds a little coincidental and then

[01:22:54] his brothers like actually we saw red stars fucking nightly for a while for a while yeah exactly

[01:23:00] and then this you know time magazine lands on my doorstep and i'm like bro does it seem like a

[01:23:04] shut the we've been seeing yeah anyway i'm going home hope you don't get fucked by an alien tonight

[01:23:12] um you know and i also find it interesting how this was just a local story we didn't find out

[01:23:17] about it until after the fact so there's there weren't people tracking it from the beginning i'm

[01:23:21] curious how much you know in those couple of years those four or five years between it happening and

[01:23:26] it getting attention how much got fuzzy how many memories changed all that kind of stuff and the

[01:23:32] last thing i want to mention is that i think there's a really interesting double standard at play

[01:23:38] with boas and his claims at first a lot of the proponents of his story people who believed him

[01:23:46] emphasize that look this guy's a poor brazilian farmer like he's too provincial to make this story up

[01:23:53] which is i don't want to say racist but it's certainly an assumption sure you know that like

[01:23:59] this guy's a backwards dummy but then skeptics pointed out that hey wait a second if boas' family had

[01:24:07] a tractor at that time in Brazil they're not backwards at all with this would have been a piece of

[01:24:13] farming equipment that was only available to a few very successful farming families and wouldn't

[01:24:18] you know it our guy Antonio turned out to be a really smart guy just a few years after his

[01:24:24] abduction he became a lawyer but then boas' backers changed their tune from well he's too dumb to

[01:24:31] make this up to oh he's actually too sophisticated to lie about such a thing it would make him look bad

[01:24:38] so what really happened to boas was this whole experience a figment of his imagination that was

[01:24:44] inspired by a magazine article or did he really encounter something from another world that night

[01:24:49] is his baby up there somewhere in the stars or did his date just really want some pizza and if

[01:24:55] this really did happen why haven't more alien abduction stories featured a rope ladder

[01:25:00] one final point in boas' favor he was able to tell his story without the help of hypnotic regression

[01:25:08] which as we know from our satanic panic episode results in wild stories more often than not

[01:25:14] unfortunately hypnotic regression is part of the most well-known abduction story of all time the

[01:25:19] abduction of Betty and Barney Hill in 1961 it's a mind bending trip that would set the table for

[01:25:25] all alien abductions to come and we're gonna get into that next week along with a look at some

[01:25:30] of the other most frightening and convincing abduction stories out there in alien lore until then

[01:25:35] I'm Chris Calary and I'm Ed Vacola and us or our changelings will see you next week bye

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